Jordan: 0:00

Do I throw a TV on when I want to teach my kids something? No, I throw the TV on when I need to get some shit done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, or if you're doing like

Lindsay: 0:09

a task that could be unsafe for her to join in with you Exactly, whatever right? Yeah.

Jordan: 0:13

Yep. Hi. Hello.

Lindsay: 0:21

Hello. Hi. How's it going? Happy Sunday. Happy Sunday. Woohoo. Yeah, we're approaching

Jordan: 0:28

December. We're getting clo. It's like, yeah, Thanksgiving week here. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Happy

Lindsay: 0:33

Thanksgiving

Jordan: 0:34

week. Thanks. I'm not making Thanksgiving dinner, so I'm feeling good about About my week. Yeah. We haven't

Lindsay: 0:40

recorded since you've had your baby. We haven't.

Jordan: 0:43

No. Yeah, I've got big Comfy. Yeah. I'm not the one sitting here. Pregnant and uncomfortable. at the recording table. Yes, I am now

Lindsay: 0:52

in my third trimester and it's getting uncomfy. Like, the moment I switched over to third, I feel like I'm growing and I'm more uncomfy at night. The emotional tears are happening sometimes at the end of the day.

Jordan: 1:08

It's a lot. So

Lindsay: 1:11

I'm in third trimester. Jordan has her baby. A lot of things are going on.

Jordan: 1:14

Yeah, we're staying busy. We're staying busy and God, we're staying tired. I know you're dealing with a lot of insomnia. And I am obviously up three nights, three days, three times, uh huh. Yeah. I can't even speak. My mom,

Lindsay: 1:31

my pregnancy brain came in like a month ago. It did it? It's been about a month. I was in Minnesota in October and I remember Not having the word or sentence for something and I said, oh boy, it's back And it's been back like full on. So Jordan and I have been Marco Ping each other and we both have this like pregnancies, parades. We like two minutes breaks of silence. Yeah. So the la But I will just say the last Margo Polo, you were talking about not having clothes. And you were like, you were like, you were talking, telling me that you didn't have clothes to wear. Yeah. It's a postpartum or just like going out casual dinner or whatever. Yeah. And then you saw the mountains and you were distracted by all the snow in the mountains and then you got back on and you're like, I have no clue what I was even talking

Jordan: 2:22

about. I was like trying to remember and then I just ended the Marco Polo. I was like, I can't, I can't think about what it is. So I'll We were just talking about clothes.

Lindsay: 2:32

Oh,

Jordan: 2:33

that's too funny. Yeah, I'm having a bit of a clothing crisis at like the thing that struck me one of the many things that struck me the first time I had a kid was You're like when you're pregnant you're like I would kill to wear a t shirt. I just like want to wear my t shirts, you know? Like, I'm a t shirt girl. that's all I want to do is just like wear my t shirt or whatever. You know, like you miss all your clothes and you're so stoked to give birth because you're like, oh, get all my clothes back. And then, boom, you don't get your clothes back. Yeah, your boobs are huge. And then if you're breastfeeding, like everything's, I'm basically rock, well, like never wearing a shirt at home.

Lindsay: 3:04

I went to Mexico three months postpartum from my first daughter and I was just, my breasts were already large and in charge and I thought it was gonna be fine. No, I had to go buy a bigger top postpartum for Mexico. Yeah. Just when you think you're

Jordan: 3:21

done with that shit, you're not. Psych. You don't get

Lindsay: 3:24

your clothes back yet. Don't be silly. No. I'll be, uh, so I was like, First trimester all summer and I'm comfy and in biker shorts and like oversized t shirts and tank tops I'll probably be the exact same clothes next summer Yeah. Postpartum. Yeah. Almost certainly. Yeah. So. At least

Jordan: 3:42

summer's a nice time. I'm like, I could wear these like sweaters and then my jeans aren't fitting like quite right. I'm just like, gosh. Yeah. It's all good if I'm wearing my sweatpants and bra at home.

Lindsay: 3:53

Weren't we going to plan on having like a bra burning party? God, can we? I told Andrew, I said, I want to buy it. I want to like extend it and do my clothing. Like the shirt, the shirt has been through everything. It's

Jordan: 4:07

cute. First birth and well,

Lindsay: 4:10

yeah, we're both wearing like Henleys, waffly Henleys that are just, you have milk on that. I have like, this thing is like ragged. You can practically see through it. So we're not

Jordan: 4:23

recording

Lindsay: 4:23

any video today.

Jordan: 4:24

So it's all good. Anyway, how are you?

Lindsay: 4:31

I'm really trying to find like the good in every single day right now. Uh,

Jordan: 4:35

yep.

Lindsay: 4:35

Yeah.

Jordan: 4:36

It's sunny now. It was full of shade this morning. It's sunny now. So there you go. That's good. Well, should we get after it? We've got Yeah. We've got a big topic today. It's a fun one.

Lindsay: 4:47

We're talking about screen time today. We are. And this is quite the topic.

Jordan: 4:54

It's a good one right now for me as a person with a newborn and a toddler. We've definitely been using a little bit more screen time. Bye. Hey, so she's two years old.

Lindsay: 5:04

So according to everybody on the web for researchy stuff, I looked up, she's fine. Okay. I'm pretty sure she's fine. Yeah. Yeah. She's

Jordan: 5:14

listening now. It's two. You're good. The amount of time. Yeah, I know. Okay.

Lindsay: 5:20

Yeah. Um, so screen time. is ever changing. This research is ever changing. I looked at stuff that was written back in 2020 and that's when COVID really changed things for our children. I went with the most recent that I could find.

Jordan: 5:36

That's and yeah, yeah, I think so.

Lindsay: 5:41

It was really interesting though. Comparing the two. Cause I was like, wow. I mean, 2020 and post 20. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, it was, it was wild. And I was like, man, I wonder if it's going to change like this much every single year, every, every few years. I don't know. Yeah. I wonder. So screen time is a huge topic. It's very opinionated. obviously with it being involved in all of our lives, this is something that can just be look very different for every single home. Truly.

Jordan: 6:12

Oh, you're dying.

Lindsay: 6:16

Okay. Do I need the birth ball? I just, I just need, I don't know. Cause if I sit hips down lower, that might bring baby up. I don't know. That's true. I don't know. I think the baby's like implanted up higher in my uterus or something. That's why it's just like That made

Jordan: 6:29

me feel like my stomach just turned when you said that. Wow. Those kicks to the, like, lungs and stomach.

Lindsay: 6:37

Yeah, I feel like I can tell the baby's getting bigger because I, head, head isn't down yet, but like I can feel further on my sides. Interesting.

Jordan: 6:46

You're definitely looking bigger. So yeah. Thank you for getting there. You

Lindsay: 6:52

are still no stretch marks yet. That's great. I don't know. I just like, I'm very, very itchy. So I got really itchy too. I'm like lotion, lotion, lotion. Yeah. Oh, the homemade lotion that I make. Do you need more of that? I actually do. I, cause I'm putting an order in for more or buying more of the stuff. Yeah. I just

Jordan: 7:12

put coconut oil on my. Shopping list for Costco to make some more. I have some jojoba oil it Lindsay makes great lotion

Lindsay: 7:20

Yeah, I do. I've made it since I was sophomore year college. Yeah,

Jordan: 7:25

I made some for all my family for Christmas last year It was a big hit cool. We'll post the

Lindsay: 7:30

recipes Yeah, if you want it It's really good shit, though. I love it. I don't think I'll ever go back. Okay, so screen time.

Jordan: 7:41

Screen time is what we are talking about. Yes.

Lindsay: 7:45

Okay, so, maybe a lot of parents are like trying to figure out how much screen time is appropriate, you might just be going to Google and being like screen time for kids guidelines. I did look further beyond that for this topic, obviously. So I'll just give you like the rundown of the quick, like Google search. I did The American Academy of Pediatrics was like hardcore guidelines. First and foremost they're gonna tell you under two years old The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends no screen time at all Under two. And the C. D. C recommends not using media with children under two at all

Jordan: 8:21

media. Yeah, like that. Does that include just like music on Spotify? Right. Because that's crazy.

Lindsay: 8:27

I had me, I had Spotify playlist going for her in the car. Yeah, dude. My kid was dancing to music under two. I don't know about that exactly. And then it, the next one is like the next age gap. Gap is two to five years old. And that was limit the non educational screen time to about one hour per weekday, and three hours on weekends. 6 and older, encourage healthy habits and limit screen time. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends limiting the entertainment screen time to 2 hours a day for children's 3 to 18. It's crazy to

Jordan: 9:00

me that it goes from 0 hour, like 0, none at all, until age 2, and then it's an hour a day. Yeah. Like, ol jump. Right, why wouldn't you just like ease your way into it? Right. If you, Or just not even I mean for us. Yeah,

Lindsay: 9:14

but then like think about to like two hours a day for three to 18 years old. I That's a lot of screen time. All the kids in my neighborhood are in school these days on screens

Jordan: 9:26

in schools right now. Yes

Lindsay: 9:28

Yeah, since since Cove it I mean that was more than two hours a day So, this is all very interesting. Oh, well, yeah, like, interestingly, if they're doing school all the time here. Yeah, so, so to have such a big, like, children, adolescent age group, 3 to 18, wowza. Yeah, that's a big spam. I mean, 18 year olds are going, some 18 year olds are going to college even as well. I don't know. This was, this was quite interesting, so. Good point. I'll be moving on further because I just wanted to start with this. Because I was like, hell to the no, that doesn't even seem like realistic, the American Academy of Pediatrics did give some considerations that you could consider in your home, in your family. Turn off screens during family meals and outings. Is that you're like, figure out a plan first for your family. Like, cause family meals could be, family meals and outings could be going out to dinner. What if you flew in on your vacation and you only had like an hour and a half to get to a restaurant to eat something and your kid was wild or, and you were just like overstimulated. What you just have no idea. So to say turn off screens during that time, I don't know. Like it just, really depends on like what's going on in someone's day. I think in general it's probably a good idea to

Jordan: 10:43

like turn off screens while you're at like the dinner table. Yes, like during a normal day to day. I mean that's what I was talking about.

Lindsay: 10:50

That's what I'm, yeah, so the problem I kind of have with these first Considerations and bullet points is they're kind of vague. They're not very specific Yeah, so I always question like everything like what you're questioning right now Like obviously if we're at home, we wouldn't have our screens on or TV on So I agree with that, but they just say it's during during the day Family meals and outings. Well, not every family meal and outing is going to be the same. Yeah, yeah. That's true. I will say, it also says remove screens from bedrooms 30 to 60 minutes before bedtime. We absolutely do that. Her daughter is busy girly from dinner to bedtime, where we're not.

Jordan: 11:35

Yeah, that's my kid's hyper phase. We're like throwing her onto the bed and making her run up and Yeah.

Lindsay: 11:42

Um, let's see, another one was consider using screen time as a reward system.

Jordan: 11:48

Hmm. That probably has mixed, uh, that's a controversial one.

Lindsay: 11:52

These are considerations that were pretty vague and, um, and now we're just going to kind of move on to like what works best for families and how you can make your own like family plan. Yeah. Cool. For what works best for you. This is where I headed on over to the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. This was like one of the most recent research articles I came across, and it came from significantly reliable resource in my opinion. and it just kind of goes over that, like, you know, managing a child's screen time is challenging for families. For sure. Whether the kids are. Figuring out how to manage their screen time in school, at daycare, at home, what's going on in your home life, what's going on on a weekly basis in your home. It can be challenging for anyone, any family. So your child is never too young to have that screen time plan.

Jordan: 12:46

Yeah,

Lindsay: 12:47

that's fair. I mean, you guys are doing like essentially like a plan right now. Yeah, we

Jordan: 12:51

pretty much do. Yeah, like it's not like a written out and stamped plan, but I have like a general idea of what I'm comfortable with in my head. And we don't really stray from that. Right, yeah, so I think it's, it's interesting that there's like a pre COVID and a post COVID, like, discrepancy between those two time periods. The, the one like piece of, I can't really call it research, but the little bit of exposure to like guidelines about TV and screen time that I've had, I read in a book called Cribsheet by Emily Oster. Um, this is a highly recommended book for new parents. Yeah, totally. She wrote, a pregnancy one too that I, that I listened to that was really good. It was expecting better. she's a data analyst. We've talked about her before on here. I don't remember. She's

Lindsay: 13:35

very reassuring when it comes to, if you're finding yourself like in the throws and like confusion of all the opinions.

Jordan: 13:41

Totally. Cause she, yeah, she comes through the data and lays it out really straight. I totally appreciate the work she's doing in her book crib. She talks about the, the research that exists. you know, in this whole screen time and kids realm. And basically her conclusion was that the research that has been done hasn't necessarily been great. This was published in 2019 just for the record, like maybe there's better research now, but basically she said like her main points of that of the chapter about TV use was children under two. Don't really learn from TV now Obviously like there are a lot of reasons why you might use TV like I don't that's really like 90 percent of the time when I play Put something on and our screen time's not crazy. She probably gets like 30 minutes a day, three days a week, maybe up to like three hours a week maximum right now with me or not right now, but like when my baby was very first born and she was struggling when I was feeding him and stuff. Maybe three hours max. We're privileged. I'm home all day on maternity leave, so it's easier for me. But yeah, I don't do it to teach her anything. Like, it is good to choose programs that maybe do art teaching and maybe less stimulating. But yeah, so under two, they can't really learn much, but they definitely engage. Like, my kid engaged in Miss Rachel when she was like, nine months plus. Dang, dude. Miss Rachel was our savior. On like, road trips? Are you kidding me? When you went

Lindsay: 15:10

to Europe, I remember that was a huge thing for you. Yeah. when we traveled, She was under a year old. That was huge for us too. And she

Jordan: 15:18

loves her. Yeah. Like, so don't be saying you can't. Yeah. I don't know. Like sometimes as a parent, you got to use those like crutches when you need them. Yeah. That's all I'm going to say about that. Anyway. So yes, children under two can't really learn from TVs. She, she doesn't say they shouldn't watch it as a result. She's just saying that the research says. They're not learning anything, really. Children from three to five actually do learn from TV, including vocabulary. And she said that there was, a lot of research that said, actually, like, kids who watched more TV If anything had slightly better test scores and school readiness than kids who didn't it like even that research was a little bit wobbly, but there was paper done that said that was like trying to just like show that TV was detrimental. And this was like kids watching three hours or more a day, which was wild. But their test scores weren't negatively impacted in that particular set of research, so that was interesting. I don't think I could handle the TV being on for three hours a day, but, but I get it. Anyway, so yeah, so. 3 to 5, you can learn stuff. It might be a good idea to try, like, you know, vet the programs that you're putting on for your kid and choose ones that are more educational or whatever. Yeah, yeah,

Lindsay: 16:30

yeah.

Jordan: 16:31

But yeah, I don't know.

Lindsay: 16:32

And like, finding like, the apps on your phone that

Jordan: 16:34

are educational. Right, yeah, I haven't even gotten into like, screen time for like iPods and games and phones.

Lindsay: 16:40

I did come across, this research paper that I, or that I read up on did say to choose a television or computer because it is further away from their eyes. Oh yeah,

Jordan: 16:49

that makes sense.

Lindsay: 16:50

Um, so first like the phone or the iPad. Yeah. Okay. Um, so basically I, I loved that you threw in Emily Oster a little bit cause she's, she's such a good resource. Yeah. She's great. She's really, I love her. Yeah, I hope she continues. Her path of research. Yeah, because she's

Jordan: 17:08

just in a great spot. She's like right in front of us. Yes, basically. Yeah, it's nice. Yeah.

Lindsay: 17:14

So continuing on with, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry tips to, kind of get you started on making a plan for yourself and your family. first point that they put out is familiar yourself with the program to make sure it's age appropriate. for us right now, that looks like non stimulating shows. Something she can, like, laugh with. Interact with. Understand. We're watching Peppa Pig. Okay. and Bluey right now. Those are like top two shows. And then if you're, if you're planning on being in front of the TV with your child as well. I don't know if that looks like for you guys right now, if you're feeding your son and she's got any with a TV on and she's watching TV, I don't know, but talking to your child about what they see, point out good behaviors such as cooperation, friendship, concern for others, making the connections. Um, with like meaningful events that are going on in the show, location, places of interest, kind of just like being like, yeah, look at it. Peppa pig is walking up the hill to her house. And I don't know, just kind of pointing out interesting stuff for them to kind of make that educational connection. obviously encouraging your child to learn other activities such as sports, music, art, and hobbies that do not involve screens. This is, how we balance outside time versus inside time. Yeah. So we head outside to balance that. We play, we do, we do craft time. We do a lot of balancing for having her learn other activities than just being screen time every single day for a certain amount of time. Um, set good example with your own safe and healthy screen habits. Yeah. That's one that I'm trying to instill in us. I think all of us are. Yeah. Bye. It's really hard. I do a lot of stuff on my phone. Yeah. Grocery shopping. All the shopping is done on my phone. Yeah. Insta, like Instacart, Amazon, grocery. And I have to set that time aside. But if I think of something that needs to go on the list, my phone immediately comes out so that I can put it in there. Whether I'm interacting with her in the middle of something or not, she sees that. and then that's when she asks to be on the phone and look at photos too. So I think this is going to be a forever thing. It was just like really being aware of yourself and like, What it could look like. Yeah, absolutely. Like as a fly on the wall situation. Yeah,

Jordan: 19:25

me and my husband are talking about dedicating chunks of time in the day to put our phones like in a totally different spot. Like a little basket or something. Yeah. I don't know. Cause if we start that now, then when the kids eventually have phones when they're older and Yeah, we could do that. We ask them to do that, it won't be like what the hell you guys have been on your phones all day everyday since we were Yeah. Tiny.

Lindsay: 19:46

Yeah. So that's a big one that we'll always be working on, too. Yeah. Another tip was to encourage using screens in ways that build creativity and connection with family and friends. Consider your child or teen's maturity and habits. I guess this would be the same as like, age appropriate. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. And just like, watch what they're doing. I mean, obviously there's Right. Right. You and I are going to cross these tips later on in life, but being aware of advertising and how it influences choices, teaching children about online privacy and safety, actively deciding when your child is ready for a personal device. We've, we have a lot of neighbor friends, we have a great neighborhood, everyone's got kids and I mean, I think my daughter is like the young, youngest and then the oldest of all the kids in the neighborhood is kind of. I think a junior in high school or junior or senior. So big range. And we're kind of all talking about like, when did your kids get it? When did your kids get their phone? When did your kids, young is like six. What? And then a lot of common ones were like 11 to 13. What the hell dude? That's crazy. And then 13, I can start to see it. Yeah.

Jordan: 21:02

Yeah, but I don't want my kids like having like Instagram or whatever. It's TikTok, whatever social media looks like when they're 13 on their phones.

Lindsay: 21:10

Yeah,

Jordan: 21:11

I mean, this is one of those things, like, when, you know, before we were pregnant, you're like, Oh, I'm never gonna let my kid watch TV or have sugar or whatever the thing is, you know, and then you get in the moment, you're like, I can't pick you up to take you inside the house. Do you want some chocolate? Yeah. I was giving my kids chocolate chips as like little incentives when I couldn't pick her up after my delivery. This is not a big deal. Well, like

Lindsay: 21:34

I've told you before too, I've had, I had a lot of opinions about screen time before I even had kids. And then I had kids and I was like, this is not what I thought it was everyone.

Jordan: 21:42

So yeah, we might get to that point and be like, Oh, we are eating our words. Yeah, I suspect you will. So

Lindsay: 21:48

actively deciding as a family, to have a plan made when your child is ready for a personal device. Obviously, these last few tidbits when we're going to cross when the time comes, but these are great conversations to have with your children, not just like away from your children. These are great to incorporate them and just get an idea of what their understanding is of screen time. Mhm. Mhm. Those were some tips to create a family plan. I think So the biggest thing Can you

Jordan: 22:15

go over the tips again?

Lindsay: 22:16

Yep, real, real fast. Just like the Familiarizing yourself with the program, age appropriate. Talking with your child about what they're seeing. And, you know, pointing out good behavior. Encouraging your child to learn other activities out, you know, outside of screen time. Setting a good example with your own safe and healthy screening, screen habits. Yep. Encouraging using screens in ways that build creativity and connection with family and friends. Yes. So doing screen time with other people. That's

Jordan: 22:44

pretty big for us as a family who has close members overseas. Yes. Like Adrienne's mom will often record like a little, not even just FaceTime, but like recording, she'll record little videos of her reading books for my kids so that she has like a little something she can, you know, always get grandma telling her a story. Yeah. Oh, that's so sweet. So that's like an example. Yep. What you were talking

Lindsay: 23:08

about. That I'm into. And then this last one had, was really similar to age appropriate, considering your child and your teen's maturity and their habits. Every child is different. Every child has different maturity levels. Every child has different habits. And if you're, if you're concerned about your child's screen time. Best to call your pediatrician, family physician, kind of go over the concerns. Mood issues, sleep issues, lower grades in school, reading fewer physical books, less time with family and friends, like isolating is a big thing. So if these are huge concerns and you're seeing them often, I would then like probably reach out and say, how could, how, how is this going to negatively affect my child over time? I think the biggest takeaway from screen time as a family is. Parents being aware of how their child is reacting to screen time. And engaging with it. Engaging with it, reacting to it. How it's causing, if it is causing sleep issues, if it is causing tantrums at the end of the day. All of that sort of thing. Yeah. Which, by the way, brings me to Bluey. Okay, yeah, let's hear this. So, I have a few non stimulating shows to recommend for parents that are in the same stage of life as Jordan and I. Nice. Non stimulating shows are defined as slow paced, natural colored tones. There's not like unusual visual effects, you know, like there's no like weird psychedelic swirling shapes and flashing colors and high contrast backgrounds that keep And hold the child's attention. Um, but they also speak in a normal voice, rich vocabulary, natural conversation. You would think Bluey would follow that. However, Bluey is technically a low stimulating show. It's not a non stimulating show. Oh, it's a low. Low stimulating. But this is where I found that was really interesting to hear is because it is actually really uplifting for parents. That's so true. That's

Jordan: 25:14

so true.

Lindsay: 25:15

So you might think as a parent, this is a great, wonderful show. It's so like heartfelt and nice. Yeah. My daughter has had more tantrums watching Bluey lately because Peppa Pig isn't available on Amazon Prime right now. It's on YouTube, dude. I know. Okay. But we were watching it on Amazon Prime and we were watching it on Netflix for a long time and then we weren't and then, We were just, we just switched over to Bluey from there. Yeah. Before going over to you. Bluey's

Jordan: 25:39

definitely more stimulating than Peppa. Peppa's like, I can take naps to Peppa Pig.

Lindsay: 25:45

Don't ask me how I know that. But, um, there's been a significant behavior difference in the going from one show to the other show. Interesting. Cause we didn't blend the shows. She was really strictly. On Peppa Pig for a long time. She absolutely loved it. And then we just switched to Bluey and it's been very different. Interesting. So there have been more tantrums like at the end of her day. I don't, and I don't know if it's like just her going through like a mental like leap. It could be. Yeah. It, it could be, but I thought that was very interesting about the movie.

Jordan: 26:21

That is interesting. I'm glad that it's at least low stimulating because my kid does love it and I actually love it. Like as a parent, it's like my husband, my husband, I don't mind Peppa Pig. Like I said, it's nice and chill. And my kid likes it. My husband does not like Peppa Pig. He thinks that it is Is it like triggering? Yeah, it is for him. He says that it instills, there are like lots of like underlying British isms that he doesn't find to be particularly healthy that are like Oh my gosh, I would love to pick

Lindsay: 26:53

his brain in a conversation about

Jordan: 26:54

it. Yeah, it really makes him upset. Which I think is so funny. Cause as an American person watching, you don't think that at all. No, my mother. Things out. I'm like, Oh yeah, no, that's true. That's interesting. Yeah. Oh, I'd love to like, because I mean, and it's just a docile show, so I'm sure it's a little bit more high. Right. Yeah. But it is kind of funny. And Bluey is so sweet. Like there, I've cried to blue, like a bunch. Yeah. Yeah.

Lindsay: 27:20

So we're just, we're just accepting Bluey as a low stimulating good. Quality show whether the Yeah,

Jordan: 27:30

I think I also even think like I I'm not necessarily opposed to like low and medium Stimulating shows for my kid even though she's really little she's just over two Yeah, cuz she's not you're not forcing it three hours on her. No exactly like if it was We're not using it as like background noise If she watches like she her two shows right now are bluey and she really likes Octonauts That one I think is a little bit more stimulating. Okay And it is like a little, it is kind of educational. It's a bunch of like underwater animals going around and checking out underwater sea creatures It's a little bit more stimulating, but I never let her watch more than one episode at a time. And it's not like before bed or before nap time. So I don't feel that bad about it. It's a good justification.

Lindsay: 28:12

Yeah. There were some other shows. I'm just going to quickly recommend. Um, if you give a mouse a cookie, You've heard of the book? Definitely. Yeah, they have a show on Amazon Prime Non stimulating. Really cute. Trash Truck on Netflix. Peppa Pig on Netflix, Amazon Prime, Apple TV, Hulu, YouTube, Roku. Kind of just like a low stimulation. Go and find out where if you don't want to pay for it. I pretty sure just go to YouTube

Jordan: 28:34

Yeah, there's so much peppa pig on YouTube

Lindsay: 28:37

llama llama. I just recently found out that was a show. Yeah It's the it's based off the book. Yeah so those are some recommendations for non stimulating shows for people that are like in the same kind of, uh, world as Jordan and I right now, like two and under. So yeah, love it. Mm hmm. That's a big. Kind of short overtake on screen time.

Jordan: 29:03

Yeah, I like it. I like hearing about the recommendations. Yeah. I really like the idea of creating like a plan with your family. Yes, yeah. And with your partner in particular at this stage of parenting and then Being just aware of like how your kid is reacting to all of it. That's all good. Yep. Very cool, thank you. You're welcome. Um, I can pull us into a little bit of a trending topic for today. Okay. Uh huh. Okay. Okay. Cool. Alright. So it's like we said, it's Thanksgiving week. Yeah. Which means everyone's like, you know, thinking about Thanksgiving, but it also probably means you're thinking about cringe, getting Christmas. You know, all together, buying Christmas presents, Black Friday sales that are like Black November. They're like, yeah, what the hell, like everybody is

Lindsay: 29:49

starting early. I know everyone's having to like, my husband and I just went from like, I swear last year planning Black Friday to now being like, well, Black Fridays are starting, the sales are starting. Let's just do it now.

Jordan: 30:03

Yeah. It's weird. It is weird, but I'm kind of okay with it. Yeah. Like having it all just on, I mean, maybe it would be better on one day. I don't know. I'm not thinking about, let's just not get into whether it's good or not. Let's just get into.

Lindsay: 30:14

Yeah. Do you feel like, uh, since the election, things have not come down, like they probably should have come down from the, from the election we just had. We just had a crazy election here in the United States and the come down from it hasn't really much come down for me at all because the hype of the holidays is like, Throne in my way. You know

Jordan: 30:34

what? I actually was reading an article that said that people are getting ready for Christmas earlier and they're linking it to the stress of the election. And like the Christmas prepared, getting ready for Christmas is helping people to like calm down from the election, actually, and like cope with it. I believe it.

Lindsay: 30:49

I have never considered buying Christmas trees before Thanksgiving until now.

Jordan: 30:55

That's so funny. Yeah. My husband's very staunchly opposed to pre December Christmas trees. So we're a December 1st to 3rd to 5th, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. That's so funny. But yeah, so that's, yeah. So everyone's thinking about gift buying. Uh, and Lindsay was just telling me yesterday that she's seeing more gift guides online than ever before.

Lindsay: 31:16

My, I don't know if it's my algorithm, but my, either my algorithm needs to change or if it really is like being thrown out the window. heavily in everyone's direction.

Jordan: 31:25

I'm seeing a lot more this year than I have in the past. And it could also, I mean, we're parents now, so they're probably just trying to catch us. Yeah,

Lindsay: 31:32

that's very true.

Jordan: 31:33

But yes. So I want to talk about a gift guide, but this isn't like a S this isn't the kind of guide where it just tells you which gifts to buy. Okay. Cause I'm overwhelmed. Those are too much. This is a gift buying guide and it's kind of really cool. So there's this chick on Tik TOK named Marin Lindley, I don't actually use TikTok. I found this on the old fashioned interwebs, but, but I really liked it. So I wanted to share. So basically what she says is that there's like a formula you can follow for buying gifts for, I'm going to say that this would be kind of exclusively in my family, at least used for my kids. Okay. You could obviously do this with whoever you buy gifts for. I'm just not like a huge gift person. I mean, I love buying gifts and I love giving gifts, I just, I'm also like a bit of a minimalist, so I don't like buying a bunch of shit that people aren't going to use. So I, yeah, so I'm kind of like a moderate gift giver, I guess you could say, in terms of quantity.

Lindsay: 32:29

I'm just going to throw in the fact that we not only have holiday Christmas, I have three birthdays thrown in the mix. Three. You're toasted. You're toasted. I can't. And so, my, my, we got, we got the first shipment of my daughter's birthday and Christmas, cause her birthday and Christmas is in the same week, mine's in the same week, Andrew's is the following. We got the first shipment of Christmas and birthday gifts for one of us. And I don't know if I'm okay with even buying my daughter a Christmas gift. Oh no. From us. Cause I'm like, she's got enough, she's got enough for just one person. Yeah, too much shit everywhere. Please, please carry on. So this

Jordan: 33:13

is meant to simplify the process. Now, there are, there are nine categories here. Uh, and I, I personally, I, I got my kid, I think, Four or five Christmas gifts for this year, and that's it like that's where I'm at I know that still sounds like probably a lot to a lot of it feels like a lot to me Yeah, this still feels like a lot to me, but I'm just really excited. Yeah Yeah Little baby boy. He's not gonna get probably anything. So yeah, he doesn't need stuff. So here here we go I'm just gonna throw through the nine the nine categories and if they resonate with you cool go for it If you if it's a category, they're like man Dump it. Uh huh. Not all of them are for everyone. You can tailor this to your own personal desires I think the first four are like a known thing, right? So it's the gift. They want the gift. They need a gift to wear and a gift to read. Yes. I'd stopping there. I love that. It's great. Like those four things. That's awesome. Yep. Um, and then this Tik Tok user just expounded and did like another five categories. So you can pick and choose from those ones. But as a general guide, I love this. So the gift they want is straightforwardly just the gift they want. Yep. That's easy. The gift they need, also pretty straightforward. Like, does your kid need a new pair of shoes? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do they need, this is stocking stuffers for me. This is a hundred percent, like, I, the stuff I get for stockings is toothbrushes. Yeah, like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. The stuff that you're gonna just have to restock at some point. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, knock it out. Mm hmm. Uh, a gift to wear. So, you know, holiday PJs, or new clothes, whatever. Cute little fleece jacket. Yeah. And a gift to read, obviously, a book. Books are always good gifts.

Lindsay: 34:56

Who doesn't want a beautiful book on their bookshelf? I want a

Jordan: 34:58

beautiful book. Anywhere. And I want to be able to read it at some point in my life. Yeah, we'll get there. We will. I'm craving my books too. Yeah, for sure. Uh, yeah, gift to read, getting a gift, getting a book for every family member, I think that'll be a good tradition for me. Uh huh. I'm into it. Yeah. Oh, you know what else I was going to talk about right here in this A Gift to Read category that I totally forgot about until just now is I came across the cutest idea. So I, I am a bit of a minimalist, but books kind of are a little bit of an exception. Yeah. My kid loves reading. We go through like 10 books a day. Yes. Every day. I'm so

Lindsay: 35:35

happy. Our daughters love to read. I know. It makes me just so giddy that her favorite toy is a book. I

Jordan: 35:41

know. It's the best. It's incredible. It's the best. So if your kid loves to read or if they don't, but you want to read to them more. This cute idea I came across on social media is this mom every year has like a box of Christmas books and she reuses the same books year, year after year. You could probably, you know, refresh some and update them and whatever. but she does this 24 days of Christmas thing. I'm, I'm not into 24. That's too many. So I cut it down to the 12 days of Christmas, but do whatever works for you. I even heard of 24

Lindsay: 36:08

days. I've heard of 12.

Jordan: 36:09

Yeah. It's like from December 1st until the 12th. Christmas or whatever. So she wraps, she wraps them like gifts and it's like delivery from the North Pole comes to the doorstep. She pulls the crate of books in and every day it's like an, it's their version of an advent calendar. The kid gets to open a present and it's a Christmas book.

Lindsay: 36:25

That is so fun. Super cute. Cause then you can just have that, you have your books for the next year. Totally. And you'll do something different next year.

Jordan: 36:30

And you can kind of get a couple more and you know. Make them more age appropriate. So we're doing that with 12 days of Christmas. I went to a local bookstore that just sells used books and got a bunch of really cheap. Cool. I actually went before Thanksgiving and asked if they had boxes of Christmas books that weren't out yet. So I got to like rummage through before they put them out and the good ones got snagged up. Of course. And then I just, I got caught like a couple new ones, but mostly just some really cheap old ones. And I'm really excited. Oh, that's so fun. So that's a good gift to read idea. I love it The gift that they can number five category is the gift they can experience So that'll be for us that'll be like ski days because that's actually something I can do for free Yes, somebody who works at a ski resort. Oh, yeah, very fortunate

Lindsay: 37:16

did my this would have been my first year year had I still be working at that resort it would have been the first year for me to pass out free ski passes to family. My husband's so bummed. Bummer. Dang. Yeah, I've been getting those for a long time. He's so bummed. Oh, that sucks. So we're, we'll have to just get our, like, uh, pay for our way a couple days this winter.

Jordan: 37:42

It's a bite in the butt, dude. Yeah. Ski passes are crazy expensive. Honestly, they're expensive enough that I want to just keep one day a week. There, or one day a month there. Yes, forever. Indefinitely. Yeah, really. No, truly. Because it is cool. Like, that's something I'm excited to do with my kid. But, you know, it could be anything. It could be going out to the movies. It could be, like, going to the zoo. It could be,

Lindsay: 38:04

like,

Jordan: 38:05

a beach day. If you live close to the beach. A mountain day. If you live close to the mountains. Experience. I

Lindsay: 38:11

didn't remember if you said experience or adventure. But experience.

Jordan: 38:14

Yes. It could be, like, a little camping trip. Yes. For us, a little trip to the desert. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something. Go take, go to the rock climbing gym, everybody. Go take your kids to a climbing gym. Kids love climbing gyms. There are things, yeah, they're not too crazy expensive. And you can get Groupons for lots of this stuff. Groupon if you're on a budget. Groupon used to be such a hot place to go and I forgot about it. Yeah, when we go to the climbing gym, like me and my husband, we will eventually have passes again, but we don't. While we only have a limited amount of time pop on Groupon, you can pass for like$8. Yeah. That's amazing. It's so good. Mm-Hmm, Yeah. Or like trip to the rec center, whatever. I'm gonna put

Lindsay: 38:51

that, I'm adding these to my, uh, little note here. And I'm gonna put Groupon for a gift experience. Good. Glad I could be of service to you, Lindsay. And you did 12 Days of Christmas.

Jordan: 39:05

I love it. That's funny. Okay, so the next one is a gift they can do. This one I'm kind of like mixed about. This could like be part of, they overlap a little bit. So this is like a craft and activity Lego set even would count as this kind of. Sure. Yeah. You could incorporate that

Lindsay: 39:22

into your next future, in your future 12 Days of Christmas. How so your Lego, like get them like a little Lego set. Oh. And do like a Lego 12 days of Christmas. No, no, no. Um, so you're doing books this year? Oh yeah. Next if you change it Oh, and another you do something else. Yeah. Like this. Yeah.

Jordan: 39:38

Incorporate this. Like, that's a clever idea. I like that. Or like, you know, you could on one of the days instead of a book psych, it's like a little, yeah, that'd be exciting. I don't have a bad idea. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Um, the number seven category is a gift to help them learn that one doesn't need explaining. That's great. And then number eight is a gift to snuggle with. That could be like a little plushy or yeah, blanket or whatever. That one I'm kind of like meh about, but it's probably because my kid just does not give a shit about stuffed animals. So, mine doesn't really care to have him in the crib either. No, I'm talking about in general. Really? She doesn't care. She, like, she likes her, she likes the one bunny she has in the crib. Our puppy, you're right,

Lindsay: 40:22

our puppy enjoys the stuffies way more. I

Jordan: 40:24

bet. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't really care as much about that one, but you know, do it, do it, do what you want. Um, and then the ninth one I really like, and that's a gift to share. We always did like a family gift growing up and I think that's a really cool idea and a good way to get everyone together. Like I remember, and it doesn't have to be anything crazy, one year we got a Bop It. And that thing,

Lindsay: 40:47

oh my gosh, that was so cool. The best, right? I like kind of want one right now. And Skipbo. Bop It and

Jordan: 40:52

Skipbo. But yeah, there's some great inexpensive, but really fun and engaging and like connecting family gifts out there. Share with neighbor kids. Yeah. Share

Lindsay: 41:03

with your family. Totally. That's really cool. Yeah. And could you incorporate this, like you guys, um, last year, was it last year or the year before you made cookies for the neighborhood? Oh, I do that every year. Is that kind of like, is that kind of like this too? You like. Yeah, totally. You could incorporate your kids, like, making. Yeah, a gift to share. Yeah,

Jordan: 41:17

for sure. Yeah, I mean, we give those out before Christmas, but this doesn't have to be all on Christmas, I guess. Yeah, we totally love doing that. And I can't wait, I never even thought about. Including my kids and making the holiday treats for the neighbors. I can't wait to do that.

Lindsay: 41:33

Yeah. I pulled out the, cookie cutters, um, they're just like in a big Ziploc bag and bottom of course you have tucked away. I don't even know why I have them.

Jordan: 41:43

I'm not surprised.

Lindsay: 41:45

Cause I have never made gingerbread men in my life. I've never made star cookies. I don't know if I like collected them. Okay. Are there restaurants I've worked at over the years? Cookie, I've never seen a cookie cutter. Well, the restaurant, the European restaurant I worked at in Minnesota was like, Hot cookie cutters. She owned a bakery in town and owned.

Jordan: 42:05

Yeah, okay.

Lindsay: 42:06

Interesting. Oh gosh, I don't know, but anyways, I pulled out the Christmas ones and my daughter loves playing with them right now in the kitchen. Cute. Stars, and don't step on them though. Don't step on them. No, they hurt. Yeah, I don't like that. They

Jordan: 42:19

hurt so

Lindsay: 42:19

bad. I bet.

Jordan: 42:22

Oh, that's the stage of parenting we're at for now until eternity, I think. Oh dear. Yeah, anyway, so that's the gift guide. Okay, I love this. So I'll just, I'll brush up over them one more time in case anyone wants to. Yeah. Gift they want, gift they need, gift to wear, gift to read, gift to experience, gift that you can do. Gift to help them learn, to snuggle with, and to share. I love this. If you have any other ideas, throw them our way. This is the gift guide that we need. Yeah. Simplifies things. Covers your bases. And then, you know, you can pick the categories that are valuable to you and your family and you can omit the rest and you always have like a basic little thing to follow and that mental load gets too crazy. And when the freaking, The advertisements come at you or you're at the stores and you're like, this looks really cool. My kid would love that. You know, you don't go overboard. I feel like this is the first year I've ever been like, Oh my God, it's so easy to go way too overboard. I used to love buying a bunch of gifts for my husband, but like those are things I know he's going to like want and engage with and whatever. Yeah. And it's not just going to create piles of shit in my house. Yes. In the way that this does. Right.

Lindsay: 43:28

You know? Right. God. Yeah. Thank you, thank you, thank you for this gift guide because, yeah, I'm overwhelmed with what's being thrown at me on my phone. Yeah. I don't even mean like trying to like look at this. Yeah. And look at these gift guides and, I mean, people are probably wondering what our gift guide is, if we could put one out, but this is it. This is it. And you know what else is

Jordan: 43:49

cool about this that I kind of did is, you can like, you know, have your family members who you know are going to buy gifts for your kids if you have some. give them this list and say, here, pick one of these categories and get something from that. And then your base is covered.

Lindsay: 44:01

I sent my mom a selection of items and she got all of them. And I was like, why did you, you did not have to do all of them.

Jordan: 44:09

Yeah, no, I'm very clear with, with my, I, with my mom. Not so much with like my in laws. They, they're good at gift giving. They don't go over the top. So I'm grateful for that.

Lindsay: 44:19

Cool, cool, cool. Yeah. Anyway, um, I'm just going to recommend something real quick. So my recommendation. It's coming at you really random. I love

Jordan: 44:28

a, I love a random recommendation.

Lindsay: 44:30

The good to grow juice bottles. Oh. Are incredible. What is that? I've never heard of that. It's the little, it's the little juice bottles with the character on top. I'm checking this out. You got this at Fur Vivi. Oh, at Target.

Jordan: 44:47

Didn't you dump the juice out? I do. But the bottles are

Lindsay: 44:51

incredible. They do not leak. They will not leak. We have tried so many, I mean, enough in my mind. Not so many, but enough in my mind. Different cups. For sippy cups, for milk cups, for water, for, you know, those drinks, any time of the day. And they always bring it. Freaking leak.

Jordan: 45:13

Yeah, they do. There's there's

Lindsay: 45:14

just no going around it and these won't

Jordan: 45:17

that's cool because they're not that expensive No, I think they're like and they have little figures. So the good to get these little bottles have yeah, you know character figurines Yeah, like the mouthpiece.

Lindsay: 45:27

Yeah, well Peppa Pig head. Yeah, whatever. Yeah character we have right now at our house like a dinosaur, we have Poppy the troll, we have Peppa Pig, and we have like a cat with like funny goggles on it or something. You can get them at like Target. Yeah. Like in the juice section. And they're reusable, so this is where I'm just going to come in as a granola mom. I will like buy it at the store and I will proceed to the garbage or the fountain and dump out the juice and fill it with water, She doesn't have juice. She doesn't need juice. Yeah, unless she's like severely constipated then I have to dip dap into apple juice and that sort of thing, but they're great juice bottles. They never spill. They're have really fun characters. They're great on the go She plays with it in the car seat. She talks to it that's a good stocking stuffer. That

Jordan: 46:18

is a

Lindsay: 46:18

good,

Jordan: 46:18

actually that is a great stuffer. I love that idea. Yeah. Yeah. So how about it? Cool. Thank you. Yeah. Sweet. Well, that's everything for

Lindsay: 46:26

today. I think our next episode, we're going to talk about Christmassy things, right?

Jordan: 46:30

Yeah. Get prepped for that holiday episode. It's a big holiday in this world. I can't wait. Yeah. It'll be fun. It will be fun. I love Christmas. I do too. I really do. It's so nice that there's like something warm and cozy and festive to do in the middle of an otherwise dreary winter.

Lindsay: 46:49

I wish

Jordan: 46:50

it

Lindsay: 46:50

went beyond December.

Jordan: 46:51

I know, I kind of wish it was like at the end of January.

Lindsay: 46:54

Yeah. Yeah. January

Jordan: 46:56

is a long dreary month. And February, dude, February is rough. This year, I think it'll be great though. You're gonna have a baby. I

Lindsay: 47:07

hope. I'm due February 6th, we'll see. I thought it was 7th. No, February 6th. But was it 7th at the beginning? According to my cycle, my um, you know, my whole womanly cycle, Yeah. It's February 6th. 6th, but I'm measuring February 7th. So we'll see.

Jordan: 47:24

Let's hope for January 24th. Let's just make

Lindsay: 47:29

the month of January feel a little bit shorter. I would not mind, but, but ironically, my husband and I, we met on Tinder and we met in person. I flew out to Hawaii to meet him in person. He lived there at the time on February 2nd. Oh, really? And so we thought, let's make this circle full and have our baby, baby arrive on February 2nd. Come on, baby. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. That's cute. Yeah. Mine

Jordan: 47:58

came super duper early. Yeah. More about that later. Yep. Yeah. Well, not super

Lindsay: 48:04

duper.

Jordan: 48:04

It was like two weeks really. He was full term. Yeah. It wasn't scary.

Lindsay: 48:07

I just knew that when you were going to be done with working, I was like, hi, I bet he's going to arrive.

Jordan: 48:11

You were right. Full time. I did not get a break from work during that last year. It's like your body just finally relaxed and he's like, fuck, yeah, I can come out now. Yeah. Thank God for that. It is, I have to say, it is nice to not be pregnant. I am super happy to never, ever be pregnant again. There you go. Oh, it's such a good, I mean, yeah. Yeah. Being pregnant is beautiful, but, damn.

Lindsay: 48:33

Oh, I got my plan ready to go. Eight weeks postpartum, I am hopefully having my tubal ligation done. I got my plan. Hopefully my plan goes through. Cheers to

Jordan: 48:43

a tubal ligation, everyone. And with that, I hope you have a happy holiday season. Or whatever time of year you're listening to this. If it's later, yeah. Go enjoy yourself. Cool. Alright. Cool, we'll talk to you next time. See you later. Bye. Bye.