Jordan 0:00

The first night I, it took me a while to wake up, but the second night I think my mom brain was like fully engaged because I, I was like, I think I was just like, Unconsciously listening for that little thump and I totally heard the thump and my husband laughed so hard because he's like you were out of that room before she even like took a breath in to start crying. Yeah. It was so funny. I did shoot out of bed. Okay, I think that we can be ready if you're ready. Yeah. Okay. Sweet.

Lindsay 0:37

Awesome. Hi. Hello. Hi. How's it going? Happy midday Sunday. Hot as hell outside. Yeah, still pretty hot. Damn it.

Jordan 0:49

It's, like, eased up a bit. It's A solid 10 degrees cooler than it was. It is noticeable. Yeah. But when I get in my car and drive here, I'm like,

Lindsay 0:57

no,

Jordan 0:58

it's different. Um, yeah, it's different for me right now being pregnant. It's like, Oh yeah. Yeah. It's just a whole extra thing. It's a whole extra thing. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. So happy Sunday. Welcome to my air conditioned basement. Yes. Thank you. For sure. I get my

Lindsay 1:14

ice cold water. I don't cruise through.

Jordan 1:16

Yeah. Cool. Yeah.

Lindsay 1:19

What's

Jordan 1:19

new? Not much. Just, uh, yeah. You went to Salt Lake for

Lindsay 1:21

breakfast today. Yeah,

Jordan 1:23

we did. It was really nice. We haven't gone out to eat in like, uh, probably months and months. So, yeah. When

Lindsay 1:29

was the last time you were in Salt Lake City? Oh, frick. It's been a long time. Yeah. Same.

Jordan 1:35

Yeah, it was good. I'm a little, uh, it was a little bit of a sleepy breakfast. I'm also, Yeah, you were up late. I'm also tired. Yeah, up late working. Crazy work day. First day of four days off. Uh, if someone picks up my shift tomorrow, then yes, so far no luck, so.

Lindsay 1:51

Crash.

Jordan 1:52

No. Cross. We'll see what happens. Maybe we, maybe we call off or something. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I need many days off in a row right now, I'm feeling it.

Lindsay 2:02

We are canning today. Oh, fun. First, first harvest of the canning process. We've been harvesting for a little while, um, just eating fresh, but now we're canning. What will you be canning? Um. Um. We're doing pickles and zucchini relish.

Jordan 2:19

Yum. I love both of those things. Lindsey's given me both of those things. We like our, we like to

Lindsay 2:25

give away a lot of the zucchini relish because people absolutely love that. Yeah. So it goes on that recipe. We'll probably just stick around and stay a while. yeah, so we're canning this afternoon. I don't know. That's about all. Cool.

Jordan 2:38

Yeah, neither one of us slept great last night. No. Lindsay has insomnia a little bit. Yeah.

Lindsay 2:45

Which is fun. So, yeah, I woke up at 2, which is not like my normal time, um, lately. My time has either been around 11pm, or it's been 4. The 4 o'clock Is hard to go back to sleep with. So I have been getting up at that time, like showering early and whatever, feeding the dog, like just hanging out with her in the big lounge chair at home. Last night was two and I did not go back to sleep. Yeah, that's tough. I tried everything and I did not go back to sleep. I couldn't even, Jordan, it's more awake than I have ever been in a 24 hour period of time in my life. Ever. You're just rearing to go. Like ever. I'm like, I'm like trying, when I'm not awake, I'm trying to think, I'm like, when was the last time I had this normal amount of energy? Like with a normal circadian rhythm. That is so annoying. Like, I can think of like my, it's like my childhood. I had all that energy. Yeah. That's crazy. I can't believe it. So, yeah. We have a Springer Spaniel and she hangs out with us in our bedroom at night. She's got her little dog bed down the side and she was annoyed that I was awake.

Jordan 3:57

Oh, was she?

Lindsay 3:58

She was pretty bothered. She was huffin and puffin and awake and just movin and she was annoyed with me. She's all pissed. Yeah. That's so funny. I'm so sorry, I don't know what else to do. Oh, that's great. it seems like right now lately I'm sleeping really hard. When you are sleeping. Well, that's something.

Jordan 4:18

Yeah. I slept pretty late last night, but the reason that I feel really tired today, apart from just a general working and. Side hustling a little too much is, uh, My kid keeps waking up at like six, which is like normal for a lot of people out there, but I don't go to bed, especially on the weekends until like 11 or 12 PM because of my work schedule. So waking up at six. Yeah. And my work was kind of stressful last night. So I didn't fall asleep till about one slept kind of light and then had little pitter patter of toddler footsteps coming into my bedroom.

Lindsay 4:50

That's your alarm.

Jordan 4:50

Yeah, that's our alarm right now because we recently we transitioned from a crib to a toddler bed. Yeah, it's a

Lindsay 4:58

big thing. It's a big deal. When my sister, my sister did the same process with her children as you and her son started waking up early and he's never gone. Oh good. Thank you. It's reassuring. This is what I need to hear. He is,

Jordan 5:14

uh, yeah, he's eight years old. Oh God, help me. Yeah, we, yeah, we kind of have a system in place now and we'll get to talking about that because that's, uh, that's going to be my topic today. Yeah. For our little podcast. Let's hear about it. Uh, the, the, the big toddler bed transition. Yeah. So, yeah, should we just dive right in? There's a lot to talk about. going to say, this is a big one. It kind of is. I was getting into it. Um. Big one. Well, obviously I did some research before I took her crib down. It's still her crib, I should say. But I did some research before I took that. The railing's off. There's a lot to think about. Yeah, there's a lot to think about. It's not just so simple. I didn't necessarily think it was going to be simple, but yeah, there's a lot. So yeah, we can get straight in. Um, so we obviously, you know, I've announced to everybody listening that I'm pregnant now. Yes. I've got about three more months left until the baby comes. You're in your third, right? Just almost like next week or the following week. I think it might be next week. Jeez. Yeah, that's crazy. It feels like I'm in my third trimester already. I would imagine. My body is very Yeah, you're bigger. It's third trimestering hard right now. Um, but yeah, so, so kind of one of the main things that they say about transitioning your toddler and the reason that we decided, well, one of the reasons we decided to do it now Is, you don't want to do too many changes for your kid at once. And we have this really big transition coming up of introducing a new member into our household. And we wanted her to kind of have the time and space to transition from her crib to her toddler bed well before that. Just so that we can get really established in that routine before our routine, before me and Adrian's routine gets too long. You know, dug up, um, or just generally destroyed. So yeah, so that's kind of where we started with it. She's doing really great. She sleeps through the night. She, um, she, she's not falling out much. Well, rolled out. Sorry. Not much. We've had a couple instances. So the first week went really, really well for us when you were telling. Oh man. I was like, this is. A cake. I feel like I was like butter. I feel like my daughter's gonna fall out. She will probably, she rolls off the time. Yeah. There are ways we'll get into ways that you can, you can deal with that. But um, yeah, so the first week she would crawl into bed. She was super stoked to get into bed by herself. Like she would tell us that, that was really exciting. She'd lay down, she'd say she wants her bunny, which is like her little lovey, her little stuffed animal and her blanket. we'd just tuck her and her bunny in. She insists that her bunny go under her blanket and then we give her a little kiss and she says door like get out Or she'll say like close the door like close the door behind you like cool But it was great because it was like, okay, she's still just doing the exact same thing and she's not getting up This is awesome. And it happened for nap time and it happened for bedtime for the whole first week We were like we want we just won. Yeah parenting Like, this is epic. How did we get so lucky? Week two, not so much.

Lindsay 8:19

I wonder if that's common. I wonder if that's common for moms or dads that have a first successful week.

Jordan 8:26

Yeah, and then suddenly the toddler realizes that they're free and then it's all over. So weirdly, she's been going to bed just fine. Like, at night she goes down totally fine, has still not gone up, not gone wood. But during nap time, um It's she's a little bit more awake and she gets up like probably three to five times every day this week to kind of just like go read her books and she's totally content to just be in her room and she's very tired and every time I walk back in there she like looks up and says to sleep and I'm like, yeah, you're going to go to sleep. And she runs over to her bed and wants me to tuck her in again. And I do. And I just keep doing that until she goes to sleep. So hopefully that won't last too much longer. Cause it's definitely cutting into nap time. Yeah. Yeah. That's where we're at with it. Um, she's only fallen out of bed a couple of times. That's something me and Adrian did consider, because the bed that we have is like the cheapest Ikea. Uh, crib, um, and the whole side rail just like comes off altogether and there's not one There's like a toddler rail to replace it which we're kind of fine with because her beds only like a foot off the ground Yeah, it's not like she's in any danger rolling out of bed But she did wake up and it freaked her out a lot the first night. And then the second night she did it again. And then we were like, Oh, we should probably do something. So we put like a little pad down next to her bed. So if she falls out, she falls onto the pad and she hasn't, I don't, I don't know whether she's falling out of bed now or not. Oh yeah. Cause you don't know if she's staying asleep either way. So it's cool. Yeah. I don't hear it and I don't like, Yeah, I think you probably,

Lindsay 10:05

yeah, I'm sure she would be like startled. Yeah, she's like,

Jordan 10:08

she definitely was the first couple nights. Yeah. Yeah. The first night I, it took me a while to wake up, but the second night I think my mom brain was like fully engaged because I, I was like, I think I was just like, Unconsciously listening for that little thump and I totally heard the thump and my husband laughed so hard because he's like you were out of that room before she even like took a breath in to start crying. Yeah. It was so funny. I did shoot out of bed. It was

Lindsay 10:33

crazy. One time I stayed in a hotel room with my sister and her kid, her two boys and her son, was in the bed with mom because she wasn't going to be traveling and hauling a toddler bed so she slept in bed with mom. Yeah. Or he slept in bed with mom. And then he just. Like she caught him mid fall. Like she woke up knowing that mom instinct that you were saying. Like, yeah, I mean, I'm not quite there yet, but. That mom instinct was happening for her and she caught him like, it really is crazy. I have never moved faster.

Jordan 11:11

She's like, yeah, that's impressive. Nice work. Yeah, that's crazy. All right. So that's like enough about how it's going for us. I'm going to talk a little bit more generally about just some of the research on, transitioning to a toddler bed. Couple guidelines, couple things to think about, all the stuff you don't want to have to go and Google. so there is like a weirdly the first thing I noticed when I got into trying to figure out whether this was going to be a right move for us or not. Is there's a huge gap in the recommended age to transition from a toddler bed. Like we see all these Montessori, toddler beds on Instagram and stuff and you're like, oh, those kids should like one for sure. And that's, that's kind of great. The age range is 18 months is like generally when people start recommending to look for the signs, at least of readiness in your kid. Some people say wait up to three years and they're like pretty firm on like, don't take the crib set off until three years, unless it's like a safety issue. So I thought that was super interesting. Um, hold you back, like make you nervous to go ahead for it. I didn't know because, and the re the reason why is because we. Well, this is kind of silly, maybe, but I don't want to buy another crib. Yeah.

Lindsay 12:26

You were probably seeing the signs that she could have been ready too. Yeah.

Jordan 12:28

Yeah, totally. So we, I don't want to buy another crib for this second kid on the way. She's looking, she's like got other signs that I'll talk about that are showing that she's ready to, to move to the toddler bed. And I didn't want her to make that transition to the toddler bed when the baby comes. So for us it was easier to do this like three months in advance, transition to the toddler bed, then she'll keep the crib when the baby's here and we'll do bassinet in our bedroom for a while. And then once the baby's ready to transition into the crib, Hopefully, like a month before that, we'll transition her into a toddler bed before she sees the baby take the crib because something a lot of people don't think about is that if they're, if you're using the same crib and this isn't something you'll have to worry about because you guys have Vivi's like forever bed, but if you are planning on using the same crib, your toddler can get really jealous of the baby. When they, when they take the bed over. So if they're already having these feelings of like, you know, like what the, what the hell's going on? I've lost all the attention of my parents to this little baby and now they're taking my bed. And a bed is like, oftentimes it's a toddler's kind of safe space where it's like, you know, the only place in the house where it's just theirs. So it's kind of a

Lindsay 13:38

big deal. So will you bring, maybe I just missed this, but will you bring the toddler a bed in while baby is in your room in bassinet? I think so, yeah. Because then you can say like I don't know, make it a whole thing.

Jordan 13:49

Yeah, absolutely. And at that point, I mean, she's already like cognizant enough to understand us when we tell her about like her big girl bed and getting into it and getting out of it herself. And she understands like why that's exciting. So hopefully that trend will continue. Yeah. the reason why a lot of people say it's better to wait until your kid is three years old is because, One of the most common causes of sleep problems in toddlers is actually making that switch a little too soon So if you make it too soon, you might notice things that like i'm how i'm noticing your toddlers waking up super early They may stop sleeping through the night They might not be able to go down very easily So if you if you make this switch and you notice these things happening and they're disrupting your life noted maybe put that real bad. I think i'll I think i'm gonna

Lindsay 14:35

put that off my daughter her first her first Her first wake up of the night or morning is around 4, 430. Oh yeah, and she'll be out. She'll be ripping. I think that's when she would definitely be getting up for the day, and I'm like, okay. Nope. You just clarified that

Jordan 14:49

for

Lindsay 14:49

me. Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah,

Jordan 14:52

our kid sleeps through the night still. The six, she sometimes has woken up at seven, so this, we're kind of still trialing this. We're just going to see if it lasts. I mean, I think she's fine. We can wake up at six for a while.

Lindsay 15:03

It's not crazy. Months ahead. And then after baby comes, you still have more months. Of like trial and sleep deprivation. Oh my gosh.

Jordan 15:14

Yeah. It's a lot to think about. I know, I know we'll get there. We'll get through it. anyway, so how do you know your kid is ready? Let's just get into it. So, whether they're 18 months or three, if they're climbing out of the crib, this is like the number one reason to take that rail off. That's a safety issue. So if they're climbing out of the crib, you don't have a choice. You're moving to a toddler bed. Yeah, I guess there, there are some options. If your, if your child's not sleeping well, but they are climbing out of the crib, a few things to try. This is a little, Recommendation from a girl called taking care of babies love on Instagram I've been to her website a number of times for sleep questions Same, but she says to make sure the mattress is in the lowest position That one kind of feels obvious enough that maybe there's somebody out there who hasn't Tried that turn the crib around if one side is taller than the other.

Lindsay 16:06

Oh, okay,

Jordan 16:06

that might work for you I could barely put my kid in her crib, as it is, uh, because of my belly, my growing belly. So a higher rail just sounds like a nightmare.

Lindsay 16:15

Yep.

Jordan 16:15

But that's something you could try. you could put the crib in the corner of the room that deters some kids, I guess, and then put your kid in a sleep sack. So that's another thing we had to consider when we transitioned from crib to toddler bed is my kid was still in her sleep sack and I didn't want her to get up in the middle of the night and trip over her sleep sack, but I guess this could work the same in reverse.

Lindsay 16:37

Okay. Interesting.

Jordan 16:38

Yeah. Yeah. I would have

Lindsay 16:39

thought that too. I've been like, okay, I'm just going to put her in, continue to put her in her sleep sack. Cause I think her, the company we use. Goes all the way up to 36 months. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's been, so I was like, I'll just do continue that. But yeah she's probably going to be out of her crib or at least a railing off by that, by that time. And you don't want her to transition

Jordan 17:00

in the same, at the same time, but we transitioned, our kid transitioned a really easy out of the sleep sack. It's like summer and it's hot. Yeah. And so she was in a really lightweight sleep sack, so that probably helped. But I also just gave her the choice of blanket. Oh, so we have a bunch of little like, you know, blankets from when she was like a baby that are light. And I let her pick one out and she picked obviously like the hot pink one that she's obsessed with. And she has been so excited to get under that thing ever since she hasn't thought about her sleep sack once. Adorable. So we did that about a week before we took the rail off and she was really happy with the blanket and really attached to it really quickly. So we thought that that would work. And for us, it did. So. But yeah, if your kid is climbing out of their crib and you don't want them to, try to put them in a sleep sack. And then another one was to say no firmly into your like two way talk baby monitor. I don't know. That one wouldn't work for us. Maybe there are some like very obedient kids out there. Yeah, no. I could be like, that's cute. Mom. Yeah. Go on about her business. Yeah. So let me know if that one works for you. Cause that's, that'd be, you got a good kid. So that's kind of how to keep your kids safe in their crib. The flip side to that is if you, if you have a kid who's climbing out, obviously that's a hazard, but also if you have a kid who is in a toddler bed, They could still hurt themselves getting up and going around the house. So you definitely want to make sure that you baby proof and everything. All right. So another sign that they're =ready is as they're getting older, they might ask for a big kid bed. this typically happens around like age three. So if you wait that long, your kid might be seeing cousins or friends beds and getting excited. Yeah. another one that's like kind of a no brainer is when your kid is just simply too big for the crib. I'm sure that happens plenty. Mine, not an issue for me, but yeah, I'm sure that there are a lot of people who have that. A controversial one that I found was some say that kids who are potty trained should be transitioned into a toddler bed. Some people say that's not an issue because toddlers typically don't really have control in the night. Anyway, yeah, but some say that it's good for them to like have the freedom to get up and use the bathroom Which can actually be like kind of the dangerous thing, too So yeah, i'd say just make your own judgment call on that one. Yeah, but one thing that's kind of agreed upon is that it might not be a great idea to potty train and take the railing off at the same time. Right. Like if you're really taking the diapers away and taking the rail away, it might just be too much for your kid. Yeah. So the other obvious signs are being able to self soothe and fall asleep by themselves. My kid was totally doing that. So we were like, okay, that's probably like the biggest one. they're sleeping well through the night consistently. and then they can show an ability to follow other rules around the house. That's just so that you can like direct them back to the bed and ask them to stay there. That's one thing I don't think my kid is really kind of grasped just yet, but she, you know, it just means that I need to have the patience to put her down four times and We live through it, you know? And she doesn't get fussy at least, so. That's not too bad. It'd be one

Lindsay 20:14

thing if, like, through the night you guys were doing that. Oh, if it was through the

Jordan 20:17

night, her rail would be back up. Without question. Yeah, you're like, you're officially not ready. Yeah, uh uh. Nope, that's a hard no. I'm not losing my sleep over this. Not a chance. Aw. So another, another one that's a little bit controversial is if you have another kid who you're moving into the crib, like if, in my case, you're having another baby and you want to use the same crib twice, that one actually got mixed reviews. Some people said that that was like a good reason to transition your toddler, other people just, you know, Um, as I said before, remarked on the jealousy point and said that that can be a little bit too much for your toddler, like emotionally when they're already going through that change

Lindsay 20:55

of seeing your energy and attention. I think you guys are doing a good job by giving it plenty of time.

Jordan 21:00

I think so too. It does. It wouldn't feel like I didn't read that before. That was something I kind of read after we made the transition, but it sort of just made sense to my head that that would be a lot for my kid to go through at once. And that's a yeah, that's an interesting argument in favor of like having a bed like yours Like a four in one. Yeah, so it's like a bassinet and then it's a crib and then it's a toddler bed And then it goes even further to a full size. Yeah,

Lindsay 21:26

which is crazy full. Yes, not a twin It jumps a twin which I'm kind of like, I wish you have to go straight

Jordan 21:33

to full from

Lindsay 21:34

toddler Yeah, it's a big That's a big bet. Yeah, she's going to be short in her life, thank goodness, but yeah, it's going to be a big one.

Jordan 21:45

so that's an interesting argument in favor of having those slightly pricier, but much longer lasting. Yeah. Beds that I would not have thought about when I was crib shopping. Like I thought did not cross

Lindsay 21:56

my mind. I didn't even know cribs could do that.

Jordan 21:58

Yeah, same. Alright, so then just a few notes on how to make the transition. If you think your kid's ready, all of those things I just said sound workable for you and your situation. Here's a few notes on how to transition. A lot of them are obvious, but good to go over anyway. Yep,

Lindsay 22:14

I want to hear this. So

Jordan 22:15

the number one thing is obviously make sure the room is safe. Your kid's gonna be crawling out of bed. They're gonna be unsupervised. It's inevitable. So obviously anchor your furniture. Check electrical sockets. Check for cords and drapes they can get wrapped in. Check what they could climb on that could potentially be dangerous. and then another thing to think about is which rooms of the house will they have access to, or are you shutting them into their bedroom? So, for us, we were like, it'd be so cute if our kid, you know, came into our room and woke us up in the morning instead of us sleeping. getting her out of bed. Um,

Lindsay 22:48

so cute.

Jordan 22:49

It was like day two. We were like, this isn't quite as cute as we thought it was going to be. Uh, that

Lindsay 22:56

first morning experience. Yeah.

Jordan 22:58

Yeah. And at this point we've kind of just gotten to the point where we're like alternating days that we wake up if the other person feels like they need a little extra sleep. But tonight I think we're going to, uh, just keeping her door shut. She can't open the twisty doorknobs that we have just yet. So, and she, yeah, if she cries, we can hear her very easily. And if she actually, if she wants to get out of the door, she just knocks on it. So we'll be able to just hear that and go grab her, but she might just lay down and read books for an hour. Hey, I'm tired. Okay. Yeah. I think she'll be okay. That's all she wants to do and she's in her room. She reads books. She lays down on her floor and reads books. My daughter does the same. Yeah. I'm cool with that. You want to do that for an hour in the morning? Be my guest. So, wish me luck on that one. another good thing when -you're doing the transition, like I mentioned, is to let them have some choices about their bed. So you could do bed sheets, you could do like, where do you want to put your bed in your room, if you feel really, really generous as a parent. Uh, yeah, for us it was like the, the blanket thing. She has her pink blanket, she chooses her stuffy, it's the same one every night. She must love her nighttime routine. Yeah, and yes. She totally does and that's another one is keep their nighttime routine the same except for that transition. Like we kept it exactly the same. The only difference is instead of carrying her to her bed, we set her on the floor and let her walk to her bed and get in it herself just to give her that little like, yeah, and she loves it. She really took well to that. So cool. Yeah. Let them pick something out. Keep the bedtime routine the same. Have a consistent plan for when your kid gets out of bed. I, like, why didn't we think of this? I don't know. It's just like one thing that we just totally didn't think about, but the first time she, so she rolled out of her bed twice.

Lindsay 24:50

The

Jordan 24:50

first night she rolled out of her bed, she was like disoriented and crying, and I I picked her up and I was really tired and I always think it sounds nice to co sleep because I just like love her little body next to mine. We don't co sleep and kind of haven't consistently ever done it, but you know, I wasn't thinking. I just picked her up and brought her to our bed thinking, Oh, she'll fall back asleep with us. That's fine. Um, I did not go back to sleep that night. It's not that like for us. I, yeah, I don't know. We, we upgraded to a king size bed and even still, I felt like she was, I had like a foot of space and it was just silly. And then she woke up and obviously was like, well, I'm in a new space and got all, sure. Crazy immediately. So the next night I was like we are from now on if she wakes up or comes in a room or whatever happens in the night. She's going back into her crib. Yeah, like first thing. We just want that to be the precedent that is set. So have a plan beforehand. Just save yourself that one or two nights of. Save it for like

Lindsay 25:54

your Travel. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Weird vacation days. Yeah, like when we take

Jordan 25:59

off in the van, totally we can sleep next to each other, but, yeah. Otherwise, have that plan. Have conversations with your kid about what it means to transition, what's involved, um, and keep having those, like, chats as you kind of move through the day and point out their, like, new bed, you know? You might not think that they're fully understanding, but I think. My kid's only like, what, 23 months and she definitely, definitely understood all of it and was really excited about it. And when my mom came over, she wanted to show her her new bed and everything. It was really precious. So yeah, have those conversations about it. And then, uh, another little tip is to start with nap time. If your bed transitions easily from a crib into a toddler bed, or if you have a separate toddler bed, Some people say it's better to just do naptimes for the first couple weeks or until they kind of get attuned to staying in their bed so that it doesn't interfere with your own bedtime routine. For us, this is a non issue because we go to bed way later

Lindsay 27:01

than she does. If she's gonna practice and possibly wake up. At least, yeah. Or not go to sleep at all. During the day. Yeah. Uh huh,

Jordan 27:09

you're there. You can watch. You can see what they get up to. Yeah. Which has been really fun and hilarious. Yeah. And insightful for us. Um, yeah. And then you can put them back down, obviously. That's a good tip. Without getting too sleepy. And then, yeah, the last thing is, if your kid is rolling out of bed, if you make that switch, and you're noticing they're rolling out of bed, a couple cool things I've seen online are, they have, like, bumpers. I don't know if you've seen these. They make them for adult beds so that you, like, I don't know, like, to, like, make your stuff not fall off the edge, or, I don't know. Comfort, but you can put one of those, they make those for toddler beds. Those are really cool. Um, I've also seen like a little hack. That's just a pool noodle that you put underneath the sheet so you can get like a very cheap version of that and just pop it under the kid's sheet. And that acts as like enough of a bumper that usually kids want to fall out. Is the

Lindsay 27:58

bumper like a big pool noodle, like cylinder looking thing?

Jordan 28:02

Sort of. It's like a half cylinder. I think my sister has one. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a very firm. Pillow that's like a half cylinder and it's like, yeah, I don't know, maybe five inches wide and just the length of the bed.

Lindsay 28:13

Yeah. We use, and growing up we had these things that just slid under our mattress and it was like a side rail. You could like pass play with. Oh, that's fine. And another one was like a mini mouse one. But yeah, there was like these mesh cartoony ones. He just, I did not even see that. Well, I don't know if they make them anymore. I don't even know. Maybe.

Jordan 28:32

I'm sure somebody somewhere does.

Lindsay 28:34

Yeah.

Jordan 28:35

Yeah. So there are a lot of options to explore if your kid is rolling out of bed, and you still want to make the transition. So for you for later, I mean, I can see your kid getting over even that. She'll

Lindsay 28:44

probably roll out. Yeah. She's a little gymnast.

Jordan 28:47

Yeah.

Lindsay 28:48

She,

Jordan 28:49

she's a little tumbler, that's for sure. Yeah, so those are all the tips on how to make that transition. Hopefully a couple of them are things you hadn't thought about or wouldn't have thought about. Don't have to think too much more about. I'm going to

Lindsay 29:03

star this episode in realistic.

Jordan 29:04

Yeah, good idea. And let me know how it goes for you. It's actually a really fun, like super cute transition. I didn't expect to Like for it to be so, it's like everything else in parenting. I didn't expect it to be like so exciting.

Lindsay 29:22

I feel like everything seems like a hurdle. Like how am I gonna do this? Yeah, I used to this. I just got used to this whole routine totally like hurdle through this Yeah, and now it's cute, but there's a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah reassuring.

Jordan 29:35

Yep. So that's it That's changing to a toddler bed. Everybody Wow. Good luck.

Lindsay 29:40

Good luck to you.

Jordan 29:44

Hoping for that extra hour of sleep tomorrow morning. Yes

Lindsay 29:47

Yeah. Um, but we're doing some trending things. This is kind of pushing it way back to fourth trimester, you know, Bringing home baby. Yeah. What do you have? What's trending? I know we're talking about a little bit of toddler stuff right now, but you have a baby on the way soon. I do. I'm sure you have your boundaries set in stone and communicated and protected. We will, we'll figure those out. Yeah, yeah. It's a conversation that still needs to be had. I would imagine that your second baby coming along is going to change a little bit with those as they did maybe initially with your first. Or, For those that are having their third or fourth or fifth child. I don't know how that all changes Can you imagine? Maybe you just don't care anymore. Yeah, I would imagine it. You definitely have that mindset At least a little you'd have to Anyways, anyway, yeah, so the trending topic is new bringing home new baby boundaries. Okay, just okay We're you and I are Millennials. We have a generation below us called the Gen Z ers this trend is way more common. Exponentially way more common in Millennials and Gen Zers than any other generation before us.

Jordan 30:59

Yeah, that

Lindsay 30:59

checks out. I think boundaries have just generally become a lot more. Yeah, okay, we all come from families that, Respect boundaries. We come from families that don't respect boundaries. We come from families that don't know what boundaries are and they're learning and they're trying to figure it all out. Or they're not learning and not trying to figure it out. Yeah. For others. So there's a lot of layers here that you just have to maybe think about how and reflect on your family and how this can work for your family so bringing home baby boundaries, how long for visitors to start showing up? How long for visitors to stay when they come over? This is definitely something that a lot of new moms are definitely putting the the heart of lying in the sand on

Jordan 31:40

Another good thing to talk about with visitors is like with your, with your partner is what can they do for you? Like around the house, if they offer help, like what are the things that you'll want them to help with? I think having like a little list of that so that you don't have to think about it when they come over is also a great idea. Yeah.

Lindsay 31:56

So these are the top three most popular guidelines that people are listing when they come up with their boundaries and what they want to do to protect their love for their loved ones that are visiting. Insisting on hand washing or using hand, absolutely. Hand sanitizer. That's like an insist must. Uhhuh. That's the most common in our generation right now. That was for sure. Mine. I

Jordan 32:20

bought like three different types of hand sanitizer. I was like, you can use whatever kind you like. Yep. They're out on the counter. Your hand. Yes. There you go. They're not,

Lindsay 32:27

it's a different way of just like, rather than saying, will you please go wash your hands? It, they're, you literally give your visitors a choice. Hand wash at the sink or their sanitizer on the counter. You just don't like don't mess with it. Yep. Don't mess with that. Easy options right there. so here's another thing, asking visitors to stay home. If they show signs of illness, obviously, it doesn't matter if sicknesses are more common, this can be a year round thing. If you're not feeling well, it's time for you to stay home. Requiring them to wear a mask around babies. These are the top three most popular guidelines. There's obviously more out there. one of them I had was, I had my daughter in December travel was crazy Christmas week, so RSV was really high that winter. So what I did was I made sure everyone was up to date on their, um,

Jordan 33:18

RSV vaccinations? Yes, thank you. What is this?

Lindsay 33:23

RSV vaccination. So everyone got updated, made sure. I was like, if you cannot get updated on it, you have to wait until this winter is over. So that was my, my experience as a first time mom. I was like very hyper strong about that. I did not want to see my daughter in the hospital with RSV. Especially as a newborn, that would have hurt my mama heart bad. so another one too, is talking with your partner. What are some things that you would potentially be intrigued by, by setting a boundary for your partner? You're a new baby. What are some of the things I have? And just get a list going for each other. Then, all of a sudden, you're like, building your list even further. Like, it's not just, You or me. Now our lists together. Now our lists beyond together. Like what are the duties that you can do for me when Yeah, like I don't have the words I, yeah, and I don't have the words to like ask or I don't want there to be tone, be behind the words that I ask either. Yeah. So this is all just out of like out of respect, clarity, messages out there, way in advance. Everyone's understood. So you're

Jordan 34:27

basically communicating your needs with each other, you and your partner, around yourselves and around your baby. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think something that is super important basically is just off the back of that slash is the same as that is to communicate with your visitors and communicate with the people who want to visit you but you just want to say no. Just say no to them and explain why you don't need, I mean, you don't even need to explain why, but it's so easy to say, Hey, we're starting bedtime at 7. Yeah. Or like just simply saying, simply saying no can be really hard, but I think that it's important to just communicate that. And then with the visitors who are coming over, if you're implementing rules like hand washing, if you're implementing rules like you can't hold the baby or whatever other thing you've got, I think a really good idea is to just bring that up with them before they come by so that the expectation is there. Yes. And you can just kind of clear the air so that when they come over you don't have to have any awkward tension when you're like, I actually need you to do this differently. Yeah. That kind of thing.

Lindsay 35:25

Yeah. So I think there's, you know, I think the hurdle here is that the generations ahead of us are behind us. Shoot. I don't know. Are they ahead of us? They must be ahead of us. Okay. So the, the generations. Yeah. Ahead of us, ahead of us. Shoot. Yeah,

Jordan 35:47

no, that's

Lindsay 35:47

tricky. That's way tricky. The generations, the older generations, the older generations than us They, you have to understand, they've never learned about boundaries and how to protect their lives and yeah, or the, or they're in their feelings and everything's okay. Yeah. So they've just literally, this is all new to them. And I think probably the biggest hurdle is to like really make it clear, like we're not like, Okay. Upset with you, we're not like restricting, you are just, I'm not trying to punish you. You're going to be just as happy when you see the baby in two weeks as you would be like right now. So, yeah. So the new baby boundaries is like a really hard trend right now with Gen Z and the millennials when they're bringing their babies home. Yeah. I love that. I love it. I'd love to see more of it. I'd love to talk about it more. Yeah. I feel like I talk about it all the time with people, with friends, with my spouse, you know, you have another baby on the way. I'm sure you guys are bringing it up again soon. It's a good topic. It is a good topic.

Jordan 36:51

It's definitely something to, to like, and it's a good way to like start your life with a baby, whether it's your first baby or your second or your seventh. Like, I think it's, it's good to start with joined understanding between you and your partner that, that this is, it. Your creation. This family is your creation. You might not have control over like 95 percent of it, but you do have control over which boundaries you place on the line that's drawn between your family and the outside world. Yes.

Lindsay 37:20

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jordan 37:21

And I think that's okay.

Lindsay 37:23

Absolutely. Okay. Yeah.

Jordan 37:25

Cool. Yeah. Well, thank you. I love that. I love that as a trend. I'm grateful that it's a trend. Yeah. I'm a big boundary setter. So I'm glad that I'm not just out here being a bitch. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Cool.

Lindsay 37:39

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Jordan 37:59

free zone. I mean it's no, no zone is actually a shit free zone. But

Lindsay 38:04

it's a clean shit. Yeah. Okay. So this company. I think they come out of Denver or Colorado because they do have a storefront in Boulder, which I'm dying to go to. I love Boulder. I do too. Did you know the Sundance Film Festival might go there? What? No. Yeah, of all the places that you work, there's six cities up for grabs. So the top three are, I think, Boulder, Utah still, and then Santa Fe. Thank you. Santa Fe, I can see. So they might keep it

Jordan 38:34

in Utah. Yeah. Move it to Santa Fe or move it to Boulder. Yeah, those are like the top three. Yeah, Redford moved to New Mexico somewhere. He's in the Santa Fe area. Yeah,

Lindsay 38:42

fine. I mean, that makes sense. That'd be a cool town for that. To like kind of linger and Santa Fe is a cool

Jordan 38:48

town.

Lindsay 38:49

Have you been, I have, it's awesome. I would love to go. I didn't even know it was at seven, like 7, 000 feet in elevation. Yeah, it's crazy. And

Jordan 38:56

the drive is beautiful. Yeah. I was my, uh, my kid was implanting in my uterus the week I was there.

Lindsay 39:02

Oh, cool. That's cute. I, we did look at like Santa Fe to get married there.

Jordan 39:09

It would be

Lindsay 39:09

cool. It would have been very hot. Yeah, probably. Yeah. But anyways. Boulder, Boulder. This is girl talk. This is how girl talk works. We're back. We're back on track. We're back. Okay. So they have a storefront in Boulder, Colorado, and this company is called PACT, P A C T. So this company has a clothing as well for women and men, and then they have a home line. Okay, so, um, I needed cooling sheets. Postpartum. Bed sheets. Yeah. Bed sheets. Yeah. Bed sheets. Not like cooling sheets for your face. That's what I thought Lindsay was talking about. Yeah. Not like uh, it isn't. Yeah. It's, it's cooling, the cooling effect sheets for your bed. I needed them during postpartum. These are freaking incredible. They are called the organic cool air pergyl sheets. How do you pronounce p e r c a l e? Purkle? Purkle. Not sure. Organic Cool Air Purkle Sheets. You can have a full set of these. You can have anything separate. Like you can, if you just need a cool pillow. You pillowcase. Yep, you can just buy a pillowcase from them. I love that. If you just need like the, you guys don't use the top sheets in your bed, No, I never did either. I only use the fitted for like my whole life. And then when I went through postpartum, all I wanted was a top sheet and nothing else. Yeah. So then that's, that's why I got the set, I don't know what it is, but it literally is, they're like the best quality. They are worth every fricking dollar. I'm not kidding. Like, You could go and find cooling sheets anywhere, right? Amazon, I'm sure, Target, Pottery Barn, wherever. I am telling you that these things actually give like a cooling effect to them. They're wonderful. So I can't recommend them enough.

Jordan 41:00

Good, I will keep that in mind in the next couple months while I'm dying in bed. Actually, we have like a really cool bed blanket, but I still have been hot at night. So maybe I'll have to check them out. Get it. Yeah. Sweet. Thanks. Thanks for that. Awesome. Well, I hope everybody liked listening to us talk about beds and bedsheets. Yep. Boundaries and other beds. Yeah.

Lindsay 41:28

There's a B type of all of our bases. Great. We hope that we're not bitches to our, when we set our boundaries.

Jordan 41:36

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