Jordan: 0:00

Yeah, we're expected to get back on the horse. Oh yeah. They're like, they

Lindsay: 0:03

offer you birth control right at six weeks. And you're like, well, I wasn't talking about that horse. You're talking about the work. I mean, yeah.

Jordan: 0:10

Oh, I mean, you're talking about like proverbial. Are you talking about sexual activity? I'm not necessarily, but that is part of it. Sexual activity, physical, like fitness, like bounce back, body, bullshit, all this stuff. Okay. Well, hello. Hi,

Lindsay: 0:32

we're back. We're back from a break

Jordan: 0:35

listeners might not know, but we took a little bit of a hiatus from recording

Lindsay: 0:40

where it's summertime. It's hot as balls. Yeah, this heat wave we've been having is crazy. It's been like two weeks now of heat.

Jordan: 0:49

Oh boy,

Lindsay: 0:50

this is like the one summer of all summers we decided not to go back to the Midwest. Regretting that now. We're regretting that now. Yeah, Never really realized how much that helps us get through The

Jordan: 1:02

summer heat. Yeah here. I mean, it's been particularly bad as well I would say like this year it feels like it's been crazier than years past. It's crazy. But yeah, so it's July everyone. It's the middle of July. Now we haven't recorded since I think our last episode we recorded was in February. What? Yeah. I thought it was March. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe it was March. Whoa. It could have been March. I just remember. I've man, February feels like it was February. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. There's probably a listener out there like, I literally just finished that episode and it says February 6th or something. It's been a while. We've been busy. Yeah, we've been

Lindsay: 1:46

really busy. And we had a hell of a busy few months ahead of us. Oh God.

Jordan: 1:51

Yep, we do. So what have you been up to? Let's do a quick little like, what have you been up

Lindsay: 1:55

to since February or March? Yeah, so we went this spring. I almost have to like pull up my Google calendar.

Jordan: 2:03

Yeah, I don't remember yesterday Well, I'm like the last few months.

Lindsay: 2:06

Okay so I'm just gonna start in May because that's my furthest back I can go. We went and did family photos In Moab. And then following weekend, I went with you to St. George, and we did this really fun mom meet up yeah, that was really cool. One of the funniest things I'll just never get over is you, myself and one other mom had the youngest children. I think her son's two and us three could not. Keep up with the nightlife. Oh yeah. Of the moms that are older because they're back into their nightlife again now that their kids are older. They're back up. They're back to staying up late and socializing. Yeah. Dude, you and I couldn't hang. I stayed. You were, you did well. I did pretty well, but. I had to recover the fucking rest of the weekend. Yeah, that was rough. And then into like the Monday and Tuesday, just from one night staying up to 2 a. m.

Jordan: 3:02

Was it, it wasn't even 2, I don't think. I don't know. I'm pretty sure it was like 12, I thought it was like 12. It was just

Lindsay: 3:08

so funny, it just felt like, kind of like college again because we used to bed early. Some moms like went out and they came back way late. Yeah. And it was just, it was so funny because it was like, Wow, it's so interesting how their nightlife is back and ours are not quite there yet. Not there yet. I never, if I'm being honest,

Jordan: 3:26

I've never really had a nightlife. Yeah, I definitely did. Whoops.

Lindsay: 3:33

Oh lord. Um, so that was really fun. And then, What else happened? Uh, June, I don't know. Father's Day. I don't know.

Jordan: 3:45

Oh, we had family in from Oh yeah, you did have family in for a chunk of time.

Lindsay: 3:49

Yeah. And I think I'd just been busy, homestead y. Yeah. Life. Gardening, composting, quilting. Yeah. Prepping. Watching a toddler. 90 percent of the time

Jordan: 4:02

commitment really. Yes.

Lindsay: 4:04

Yeah. Yep. And then now we're here in July and we skipped our summer trip. We have a big summer trip in Alaska coming up in a few weeks and then we have a big fall trip in the Midwest. So we're going back this fall for a longer period of time. So I have a really busy fall ahead.

Jordan: 4:23

Yeah, so we're trying to get some episodes in.

Lindsay: 4:26

And then it's Christmas and then it's New Year. And then it's Christmas. Stop. Oh my

Jordan: 4:30

gosh. You know it's

Lindsay: 4:33

true. Every time it's Halloween I'm like, it was just 4th of July. Yeah.

Jordan: 4:39

Damn. Tell me what

Lindsay: 4:40

you've been up to.

Jordan: 4:41

Yeah, so I can scroll back to February. I don't, I didn't do much between then and now. but yeah, so, uh, oh, this is why I think it was February that we recorded last because it was the end of February that I found out that I was pregnant.

Lindsay: 4:57

Oh, I mean, I know

Jordan: 4:59

that you are right,

Lindsay: 5:01

but I didn't know, I mean, I, I probably would have, uh, you probably told me, but I don't remember it being the end of February,

Jordan: 5:07

the end of February. So yeah. Anyway, it was right around then and the February kind of March time. Yeah. Hi, I'm pregnant. Yeah. Yep. I'm like 25 weeks pregnant, now and due end of October. So I've been keeping it kind of light. I've still been working, um, my normal work schedule and work's been super crazy busy. Yeah. So yeah, I guess my April was family in town. Her mayor, June was family in town. Yeah. We just been crazy. yeah. And this pregnancy has been going pretty well for the most part. Yeah, I had a couple like car, like mild car incidents. Other people. Yeah. Yeah.

Lindsay: 5:49

It's not something that you needed on your plate.

Jordan: 5:50

No, not really. So like a couple more hospital visits and a little bit more stress than I would like and that kind of put stuff on the back burner for me. But it all seems to be going. Fine, knock on wood for right now.

Lindsay: 6:04

When you had your daughter at the end of August, I was like, Oh my God, this heat has got to be the worst. And here you are kind of going through the heat again.

Jordan: 6:13

Yeah, it feels worse. It feels worse this time. It might be because there's like something beautiful about pregnancy. where you like kind of like as time goes on, you forget it all. Uh, yes. Yeah. So I, it's possible that I'm just like, I think that happens for a reason. Yeah. So I think we're blacking procreate. Yep. Probably. We're blacking out some of the tough stuff. Yeah. So I'm looking forward to blacking out some of this, but it's, yeah, it's, I'm in a stage of my pregnancy where apart from feeling like my joints are all about to fall apart, I feel pretty good day in and day out. Which is nice. Yeah. But I am growing a lot faster than I did the first time around. I bet that's shocking. It's crazy. I'm looking at myself like, oh my god, I'm pretty sure I was this big when I was like 35 weeks with, with my kid. And now I'm like, Stretched and ready to go. Yay. Hopefully that,

Lindsay: 7:13

hopefully this birth goes much smoother for you and just. Yes, absolutely.

Jordan: 7:17

I don't think we've talked about birth stories much. Uh, we'll have to do a birth story episode about our current kids before I have a second birth story to tell. Yeah. Yeah. So that we can totally do that. We can compare and contrast. Yeah. We should do that. Okay. Well, we'll do that in the next few episodes maybe. Cause it's a good thing for me to kind of relive the experience of the birth that I did have. It was wild and crazy. The whole thing that like, mom's like, Really do love to talk about with each other. I think it's really healing. Yeah. I mean, that's like one of the points I think in this book we're going to talk about today, right?

Lindsay: 7:51

My new neighbor across the street from me don't know much of her life, but her and I just completely opened up about our birth stories and we could have talked about it forever. That's so cool. You wouldn't do that normally with like a, a random person that just moved in the neighborhood. Or like any other like

Jordan: 8:09

big, like not traumatic, but possibly traumatic and definitely like, Intimate super intimate event in your life. Yeah, it's really cool to talk about with

Lindsay: 8:18

another mom. Yeah, that is cool Yeah, that'll be an episode. I think yeah, we should try that next or really soon

Jordan: 8:24

We should we really should because I I am coming into the point in my pregnancy where I am wanting to spend more time thinking about how to prepare for the second time around and I think a good place to start would be to Remember and just kind of like bring up all of those feelings from yeah The first time. Yeah. And just like think to myself, okay, what went really well? How did I receive support in the way that I wanted? What didn't go as well? Yeah. That's a good idea. Mm hmm. Yeah, definitely Yeah, so we mentioned in previous episodes that we're going to do like a little book club and this is our first little book club episode. Yeah,

Lindsay: 8:59

we wanted, this book was important, um, just because I wanted to see my fourth trimester in the future a little differently and how I connect in so many different areas of it. And then you have a fourth trimester coming up that you also want to just kind of like prepare for, prepare for reevaluate. And are there any changes? And so this is a great way for us to just kind of

Jordan: 9:23

Do it in the way that we take, yeah. I mean, I'm not going to say take control. Cause it's a situation in which you just simply cannot have control, but definitely like have feel empowered. Yes. I want to feel empowered. Yeah. Better than like, what the fuck? Yeah. I mean, the first time around you like think you're preparing and then like you prepare weird things and I don't, I don't know, for me, it was like the birth plan that I had in mind got all wackadoo and then like, I wish that we had

Lindsay: 9:49

more, like mentorship from others that were like, yo, you're for the fourth trimester is coming up and that's more really important to consider. Here are the things.

Jordan: 9:57

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think we got a little bit of that. Like we had a friend who recommended a really nice book that was like a postpartum healing, um, through nutrition book, the first 40 days, which is a great, a great book. It's not one we'll do a book club on. It's mostly like recipes and stuff, but yeah, definitely pick that up if you haven't had that. Yeah, or if you have somebody who needs support and you're not sure how to give it to them after having a kid That's a good place to start. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah that I mean, yeah mentorship would be great. So this book definitely is like a good Mentor in your life. Yeah,

Lindsay: 10:31

Again, this is the book called The Fourth Trimester by Kimberly Ann Johnson. A lot of people are like, well, what the hell is a fourth trimester? What is that? That doesn't make sense. Your pregnancy is trimesters, right? Three. So the fourth one is defined as the first 40 days after giving birth. Spent, resting, nurturing yourself, And how to feel for your transition into motherhood and looking past the birth plan, which is usually like your final thing you think about preparing. And then it's like into the changes that you'll be experiencing during postpartum. Physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, it's a big part of your life. And it's also to like learning how to be physical again, how to carry your baby and comfort and restore your energy and rest and nutrition. that's basically the definition of fourth trimester. It's the big transition into. Yeah, and I think that

Jordan: 11:33

it's the I think that for most of the women I've spoken to, it's like the most, prolific of the Pregnancy journey. Yeah. First trimester. You're like in normal zone still kind of, you can do all the normal things. You might feel a little different and then you've kind of remembering every once in a while you're pregnant. Second trimester. You're like, Oh, my belly's getting bigger. I can feel the kid. Oh, I can't be outside in a hundred and five degrees. It's literally telling a lot of the stuff. Yeah. Third trimester. You're like. This is uncomfy. I'm ready to get this kid out. I have this big athletic event coming up that is labor and delivery and I need to get ready for that. And that kind of like, I feel like we've all been so conditioned to be afraid of that part of pregnancy specifically that the, like the aftermath gets sort of like missed. Like you're all done

Lindsay: 12:23

now.

Jordan: 12:24

Yeah. But then you go home with a baby and you're, you're healing and, and then you even hear things like this. Like I heard things like this. The first time I was pregnant, but you know, you need to really take care of yourself after that delivery, come home and make sure that you're like in this sacred space of healing and right. And the nurses show you how to take care of yourself, like, you know, vaginally and all that. Yeah. And breastfeeding, you get like a little bit of a glimpse into, but it's just such a big change that is like, yeah, it can be really overwhelming. So yeah, it's a great thing to

Lindsay: 12:54

chat about. Yeah. So this is something that's like definitely more talked about and more common than other countries than the United States. For instance, india and Japan. A mother will literally go back to her own mother's house for six weeks. Wow. She will literally like go back to maybe she doesn't have a mom or she has a mother figure for six weeks. She will move out of her house. And can you imagine she can be, and yeah, she is real that way. She's relieved of all household duties. It's like the only literal way to relieve yourself from household duties is out. So that's really crazy. And they call that the sacred window. in those two countries. China has this whole thing where the, the duties are split between the mother and the mother in law Yeah. Um, but they do that for like a whole month and they call it, it's like a thing where they call it sitting out. So it's like all forced in other countries. Yeah. In a like nice country. Way. I don't mean forced in like you're doing it this way, like, I mean, I would imagine that the force comes with that sometimes, but they also too are like they're, they just take it to a whole new level of taking care of the new mom. And then like you were talking about earlier, you know, The First Forty Days is a book that has a lot of recipes. A lot of those recipes are like Japanese and Chinese soups and like tons of healing, ingredients. Yeah, it's kind of Ayurvedic based too, a lot of it. Yeah, yeah, this is a whole kind of like new up and coming thing to consider.

Jordan: 14:31

Well,

Lindsay: 14:32

maybe not generally. Yeah, I think it's a renewed. Yes. Maybe like renewed. This has Obviously this probably goes back to centuries.

Jordan: 14:41

There's a long history of women being very well taken care of and not having too high of expectations after pregnancy. I think American culture is just going to say

Lindsay: 14:48

six weeks ready. Yeah. And you're like, not even close. Yeah.

Jordan: 14:54

Yeah, we're expected to get back on the horse. Oh yeah. They're like, they

Lindsay: 14:57

offer you birth control right at six weeks. And you're like, well, I wasn't talking about that horse. You're talking about the work. I mean, yeah.

Jordan: 15:04

Oh, I mean, you're talking about like proverbial. Are you talking about sexual activity? I'm not necessarily, but that is part of it. Sexual activity, physical, like fitness, like bounce back, body, bullshit, all this stuff. Yeah. And, and we don't think about like, Oh, this is actually a period where you're just really meant to be doing. Sweet F. A. besides accepting help and connecting to yourself and to your, yeah, baby and, yeah. Okay. So let's start talking about the book. Uh, it's organized into kind of three parts. Yes. Yeah. So

Lindsay: 15:36

part one, would be preparing for the fourth trimester. So part one, preparing for fourth trimester, creating a sanctuary, like lovely postpartum plan in your household, what that looks like for you personally, and what that looks like with a partner. What is it that we need during this fourth trimester? extended rest is probably the most critical and ensuring thing a mom can have for her long term health during postpartum. So my rest, I took it the whole way. I relaxed every nap that she had and I didn't do shit around the house. And then I just listened to my body when it was ready to get back into the swing of things and that's what I did. So extended rest, whether that be, you need to look at your own life and see what that looks like, what it can look like for you. first and foremost, rest. Okay. Nourishing food. you gotta have nourishing food to complete the healing of your uterus to rebuild your strength. Cause it's going to wipe you out. Giving birth is wiping you out. Well, and even if you adopt or if you have a surrogate too, you're going to be wiped out because you're caring for a brand new baby. It's totally important to nourish your body for strength.

Jordan: 16:50

And if you're breastfeeding, producing milk too, yeah.

Lindsay: 16:53

Something that's easy to digest, something that's mineral rich, warming helps, you know, soothe the soul too. So that's very important is to nourish yourself and nourish your body. Another one would be loving and caring touch. This I thought was really interesting. That is interesting., If you're home with your spouse and you're taking, there's not a lot of time for like. Connection. You're really just in survival mode that first 40 days and loving and caring touch massage work, uh, just to help flush, you know, the limbs and optimize and,

Jordan: 17:29

definitely especially if like in my future I during this pregnancy. I've been feeling very touched out and like I don't really want that much touch So it will be It would definitely need to be a conversation where it's like, I will be very clear with you about what specifically these needs are that I have, and then it's also important for us to remember that our husbands have needs for this as well, because all of our energy goes into this new baby. And you want to make sure that in order to get the most support from your husband, you also want to make sure you're like giving them support in the way that they need. Cause I think a lot of the times we forget that this is a huge transition for them too, and they need physical contact and loving physical support, uh, as much as we do for sure.

Lindsay: 18:14

Yep. Um, another really interesting one was something that kind I think Jordan and I wish we could have had more of with our firsts. And this was a presence of wise women around us to talk to us about the struggles to, when you have your first, it's a lot of yay, yay, yay. This is all going to be so beautiful and so great. And it really is at the end of the day, you know, it's all worth it. It's all wonderful at the end of the day, but you sometimes don't want to steer a mom in the wrong direction. Mindset of like, dude, there's some hard shit ahead of your life. Yeah, and I think it would have been really cool for me to experience like a better mentorship of a wise women

Jordan: 18:57

I think the advice that I would give to like a new mom is like first of all, follow your gut. Second of all, ask, ask any mom you know, any question that you have and ask as many of them as you can because everyone does approach things very differently. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Lindsay: 19:12

Yeah. So yeah, it was just interesting like something you need during fourth trimester is a presence of just women to ask. Yeah. Um, your, um, your questions that you have and it doesn't even matter if it's one or one million. And to get help from, like,

Jordan: 19:24

I think women who have had babies can very, like, are very, very good at knowing how exactly a woman who just had a baby needs support. Yes. Like before I had a kid, my sister was having kids and I was like, Oh, here's a cute little pair of baby shoes. I wasn't looking back. I'm like,

Lindsay: 19:43

what the hell was I thinking? That's not what she needed. I look back. I didn't know. Like I had no clue. Same. I told my, I've apologized to my sister. I've apologized to some of my friends. I was like, you guys, sorry. I'm sorry. I had no clue. But they're like, it's, it's a whole thing. Cause they, they were at their point in their lives where they didn't know either. Yeah. and it was just too much for them to reach out because they were in shock mode, survival mode too. And

Jordan: 20:13

yeah, so if you have kids out there and you know somebody who's pregnant, maybe just use this opportunity to shoot them a text and be like, Hey, I'm thinking about you. If you need support in this or this way, yeah, shout, shout me out, holler at me.

Lindsay: 20:28

So I think this is the last one that she has in the book as far as what you might need for a fourth trimester is contact with nature, just connecting with beauty. Of the slower paced life outside. I know that that can be kind of interesting. There's obviously a lot of women that live in cities, and it might not feel slow paced outside, but finding a park and just sitting in a park with your child and watching, like, the bird fly from that tree to that tree, you know, that can just like slow it down, in a, in a sense. It's not necessarily like a hike or camping, but nursing near a window if you're inside during the winter time or under the tree or just feeding your baby. You don't have to be nursing, but bathing also, too, in like an outdoor way is kind of a way to be connecting and slowing down. Is that something she said in the book? That's

Jordan: 21:20

so funny. I don't

Lindsay: 21:20

remember that one. So she mentioned something about having like an air conditioner. Herbal bath, obviously inside is something she's all about, but she says, if you have like a horse troth, like if you like, Oh, like

Jordan: 21:32

a proper bath outside. I

Lindsay: 21:34

think I want to try that.

Jordan: 21:36

It sounds awesome. Except that I'm having my kid in October. You could have

Lindsay: 21:39

it warm and have that cool, like experience maybe of like cooler outside and like a warm bath. I mean, that sounds awesome. You should try it. I'm well up for that. I personally loved. Having like a 20 minute bath out or at the end of the day every day. Yeah, I I mean I had it helped with my bowels But like it also just is like a sanctuary like little just to just relax. Yeah, I'm water. Yeah And this is also to like you're trading your screen time you're gonna find yourself we're in the world of screen time, yep You're going to find yourself in screen time a lot, um, whether you're feeding or up at night, just trying to get back to sleep and you don't want the TV on. you're going to find yourself on your phone or iPad, whatever it is, but just kind of maybe like trading some of that screen time. For bundling up outside if you can for a few few minutes. We're taking off all your clothes if you just had a baby. Yes. Oh the amount of like light clothing that I prefer when I'm pregnant and when I'm postpartum is unreal. It's

Jordan: 22:41

crazy. I'm

Lindsay: 22:42

wearing very

Jordan: 22:43

little.

Lindsay: 22:44

Are you already wearing your husband's stuff?

Jordan: 22:46

Oh yeah this is his shirt. Yeah and I'm afraid even his shirts aren't gonna fit me by the end of this.

Lindsay: 22:52

Yeah. Yeah. So there's some of the interesting, cool things that you might need, um, to set yourself up for a really nice transition when that transition time is happening. Another chapter of part one, I'm just kind of like really making this quick. Preparing your body for birth. So this would be like getting yourself for instance, like. An exercise ball to bounce on literally for like three months. Oh my God. It's the only thing I could sit on at the end of my pregnancy, but stretching and not overstretching and obviously hip opening. Um, you can probably chime in a little bit. This, I don't have much. No, I could

Jordan: 23:27

definitely go on and on, uh, like TVA activation, deep core muscle activation, 360 degree breathing, like breathing into your side ribs, um, abdominal pressure, Navigation, you could say, um, there's like a lot, a lot of like work you can do on navigating having all that pressure inside that helps also with labor and delivery. There's pelvic floor work, which involves tensing and relaxing your pelvic floor because obviously we want to have a strong pelvic floor for all the support, but we also want to be able to fully relax and open our pelvic floors for the birth. So there's like a really big amount of work to be done there. I mean, yeah, the stuff you can do for your body to prepare for birth kind of doesn't really end. Breathing techniques, relaxation techniques.

Lindsay: 24:15

And like, it's so crazy because a lot of those things can help you obviously try for a natural birth and unmedicated natural birth. And it's wild if you're sensitive to medication, how fast those can go out the window.

Jordan: 24:31

Yeah. If I, I, what, how fast like

Lindsay: 24:35

medication can kick everything into gear faster, you're not maybe prepared for like contractions to be happening so close together. Like for me, for an example, practice, practice, practice it all kind of quite a few of the things that you've just mentioned. But then I had to be induced and I was like, Oh boy, I was not meant, I was not, my body was not ready for medication at that level. And that

Jordan: 24:56

Pitocin just like really messed you up, I guess. Yeah. And, and either, either type of birth that you have, your core gets stretched out and you do need to do some rehabbing most likely after you've given birth. Uh, and the, the more work you do beforehand, the easier the work is to do after, both because your body has been set up for it, but also because you have kind of already given yourself the routine of doing something for that part of your body.

Lindsay: 25:23

Yeah, it's easier to bounce it.

Jordan: 25:24

For sure. Through,

Lindsay: 25:25

get through that in fourth trimester if you need a little.

Jordan: 25:28

Yeah. I would think so. Yeah. The unmedicated birth thing is interesting. You just said something about that. I had like a weird experience reading this section of the book because I, I did have a C-section and I like, like everyone else, I didn't want a C-section and I wanted like, you know, a vaginal birth and I refused an epidural for a really long time. Something like 30 hours and. Ah, I don't know. There was like a section where she's talking about like the energetic pathways, um, that, that like get disrupted when you have certain medications introduced into your system. And like your, how your body's ability to like do what it needs to do just doesn't like work anymore. If you have a medicated birth and then like, you know, you can imagine that a C section is like just exacerbates that like in an extremely big way.

Lindsay: 26:17

I want to like add, I don't know if I've shared this with you. Okay. So. I was terrified to deliver naturally because I work in the O. R. and I've delivered many babies via C section. Yeah. So that was my, my normal. Yeah. Before having kids. That's what you were exposed to. But I want, but the first C section I had ever done, and I don't, I literally bawled because it was such an emotional cool thing. Wow. And so I'm wondering if like, It's still there though. That energy, that energy is still there. I wasn't prepared for myself to cry or like feel like in the middle of work. It was, yes, I wasn't like sad, I was just getting through it. But I was, but I am the first person to hold the baby coming out so the doctor can work on the umbilical cord. I'm still like, holy shit, it was all happening. And like that, it had to have been whole energy thing. Cause I remember having goosebumps. I remember crying. I remember just being like, This is unreal, but like you have to like still shove it down and continue to work. Mm hmm go on But um, yeah, yeah, so if that was like, oh,

Jordan: 27:24

yeah, I mean, I don't doubt it like I still had like My kid was taken away from me for quite a while because they were making sure that her respiratory system was all good because there was like some meconium somewhere. Did she

Lindsay: 27:36

go to your to your chest for a few minutes before they took her? No.

Jordan: 27:40

No, not at all. But I still had the experience of like, and I did mourn that and we can talk about that eventually, but um. But when my husband brought her in, eventually it was like, you know, I don't know how many minutes, God knows how many minutes it was after she came out of my body. But when my husband eventually brought her around, like I still had like that really intense experience where, you know, her skin touches mine and it's just like, yeah, the universe is just like expanding inside of your body. You're like, what's happening. And so I do think, I mean, the, this author didn't experience a C section. I know a lot of C sections are traumatic and I know a lot of vaginal deliveries are traumatic And I know that that's really important stuff for us to work through but there is a There is out there in the world this pressure for women to have these natural unmedicated births. And I just want everyone to know that that doesn't need to be there. Like, and if you have a C section or if you have medication during your birth, you're not doing a disservice to yourself or to your baby. Or to your baby at the end of the day, you're doing what feels right for you. And that is what you should be doing. And if you are, if you feel pressured into a C section, I'm super sorry. I did for a while. Uh, we can go into it in more detail, but at the end of the day, I was really congruent with that decision because yeah, but like, God, yeah, I don't know. There was like a little section of this book that had me reeling for like a full 10 hours because I was just like, Oh, she doesn't, she doesn't understand. And like, I don't know. I don't know. That part can be difficult for people who are still processing like C sections and stuff like that to deal with.

Lindsay: 29:21

Right, and because she also is very passionate about having a plan, birth plan. Someone that works in the healthcare field, there also has to be a plan B, C, maybe D. For sure, yeah. Like, it's so, it's wonderful that you can come up with a plan and then you can envision that and have that for yourself. But you were just saying how really important it is at the end of it all. And I can add a little something. Like, there's nothing more important than having that child with you at the end of it all. Yeah. Like, whether it was C section, whether it was medicated, whether it was, you know, whatever. When that baby is okay and with you and touching your skin, it's just like, like you said, the universe just explodes for you.

Jordan: 30:04

And I've even been around women, like, who have had the experience of having their kid go straight into the NICU, which is like, yeah, it's Mind bending yeah, yeah, and even they have had that experience where the first time they get to hold their kid It can sometimes be months away, which I like cracks my heart into pieces. My mom wasn't

Lindsay: 30:20

held I don't think for the first like few months of her life.

Jordan: 30:23

That's so wild. That's so wild Yeah, but I still think that that those women get to have that experience. Eventually. It's not what they want it to look like But it does it does sort of come so just remember that your journey is your own And try not to let the pressure and the feelings of like inadequacy get to you. Cause that's something I really struggled with. Yeah, that Yeah, I didn't like it. I don't like it. I see it all the time and I just like, it gets, it gets to me. And that is some processing that I still need to do for sure, but, but it doesn't help to be told that like, yeah, I don't know. Whatever. We'll, we'll be done with that for now. We can talk about it more when we go over my birth story. Yeah.

Lindsay: 31:04

Yeah. There are definitely. Parts of this book that can trigger something. For sure. Reflect on yourself. What are the some things you would want to add to this list of preparing for fourth trimester? Sure. thing that you would maybe want to add to the list is like, how does devoted time for yourself look Realistically for me, it was 20 minutes in the bathtub every single evening, you know, kind of, that was devoted time for me that I needed. Yeah. And then finding a personal routine and part of your day, making it glorious. I've talked about that before. Yep. My nighttime routine. I'm like this is going to be the best nighttime routine I've ever experienced in my life. Let's go. Yeah. Explore what self care is going to look like for you after you have a baby

Jordan: 31:43

and keep it minimal. One of the women I spoke to before I had my first kid was, her advice was to To do something small for yourself every day, but to like build on it. So for the first week, the one small thing she did was just simply bathe herself or shower. And that was it. That was the only thing she, the only expectation she had for herself and the only thing she was going to do to care for herself and just had that dedicated thing. And then the next week added just one thing and the next week added just one thing. So like you're, you're caring for yourself, but you're not putting pressure on yourself to like get something. Yeah. Cause that can also go the other way. Yes. Yeah.

Lindsay: 32:18

Yeah. You can find yourself like kind of, if you're trying to do it all, you're going to start feeling like a failure that you can't get it all done. You're going to be

Jordan: 32:25

tired. Yep.

Lindsay: 32:26

Yeah, totally. All right.

Jordan: 32:27

So bring us into part two, part two gets into the meat of like the, second. So, yes. So

Lindsay: 32:34

part two is savoring this fourth trimester time, not surviving it, not trudging through it. Okay. Really savoring it. So learning how to shift your mindset on your relationship with your physical body, how to rebuild it. Restoring your vitality and like who you are and what you've just done and how empowering that is. Yeah, like processing the whole journey. You're gonna feel like crap when you get out there. Yeah. You can easily just get into that slumber of feeling that way and be stuck there. Especially when you're in the middle of the winter time. Yeah. And you can't like get sunlight to make you feel better. Whatever. You're gonna be quite emotional. I've never experienced emotion like, like I did. Yeah. Yeah. Um, unfortunately I just also had some other factors that brought in my emotions to be kind of wild, but, you're going to experience yourself emotionally like, Oh yeah. Snapping maybe. I remember, I remember

Jordan: 33:30

it was like both extremes for me and it was like all, I felt like I was feeling every single feeling that there, that existed in the world all at once. Like all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a weird experience.

Lindsay: 33:43

So this part of the book is just like really savoring that and like understanding, okay, I'm really going through these emotions, for example, for a reason, my body's hormonally changing. Yeah. Um, and then we just briefly discussed a little bit about owning our birthing experience. No matter what that birthing experience is, is owning it and totally sinking into it and being like this had to go this way for quite the reason. Mm hmm. And. I'm moving forward with that reason. Yeah,

Jordan: 34:10

and she does talk, one of the things I really liked to kind of contrast the part that I didn't like, um, was her, her talking about that exact thing. I really liked when she said it's really healing to share your birth story, to write down your birth story and journal about it, to talk with your partner about it. Yeah, and what

Lindsay: 34:30

theirs was too. Yeah, how,

Jordan: 34:31

what their experience of your birth story was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that that section was one of the better ones for me. I think that she also even talks about like moving the energy through your body. If you feel like you have some stuck energy after labor and delivery, because weirdly, I did kind of feel that, like, I felt like. I had this need to move energy down through like your birthing canal. Kind of. Maybe not my birthing canal. It was just like energy that fell stuck around my pelvic floor that I, I can't describe it. I'm not like that way? No. By chance? Okay. No. It was just for like a handful of months after I had my, had my kid. Yeah.

Lindsay: 35:10

Yeah. I guess that kind of stopped for me after I started, stopped pumping. Yeah. Yeah, I was having an issue. Yeah, I do just was not like, yeah. And I was like, I brought up, dude, I feel like my left side is stuck. Yeah. You're like, you know what? I'm speaking of that. Yeah.

Jordan: 35:25

This feels stuck for me too. And she has some really cool different ways that you can process that kind of stuck energy. And it's a little bit, it's a little bit out there, but this is like a section of my life where I'm happy to go out there with my imagination. Run around with it a little bit. So if you're interested in that, I would definitely check out that section of this book in part two. Yeah.

Lindsay: 35:45

I would say it was like literally like one of the most important parts. Part three, part three experience. Yeah. Like savoring the fourth trimester because now you're in it. Yeah. And just accepting it all for what it is. Yeah. It's so, that's part of the book was like mind blowing for me.

Jordan: 36:04

What was your like biggest. What hit you the hardest in this section? Owning my birthing experience. Oh yeah?

Lindsay: 36:10

Interesting. Yeah, because I still, I'm still trying to get through the shock of the medications from induction. Mhm. And I'm like, man, I really don't want meds in my body or man, I like for the next time. Yeah. So I'm finding myself. What about

Jordan: 36:24

like epidural? How do you feel about that for next time? Do you know? I will do that. I don't, I don't mind that.

Lindsay: 36:28

Okay. Pitocin was like a whole new level for me. Okay. Just kicked everything so fast. And I was nervous. It was too fast for my daughter. Yeah. I was in there just like, yeah, it's interesting.

Jordan: 36:40

Yeah. I can't wait to figure out how this next one's going to go. It's so wild to think about how different it could, it could be.

Lindsay: 36:48

Yeah. I would probably do a little bit work on, balancing my emotions, but my, some of my outside factors need to be different.

Jordan: 36:57

Yeah. I like, yeah. So, and you never know what's good. Like you have to also give yourself credit and, and flexibility in that. I think you have to give yourself a lot of grace for emotion balancing and just understand that you're not going to get it right. Or it's not going to feel balanced or whatever, like, yeah, just grace.

Lindsay: 37:15

She talks a little bit about deepening intimacy and I don't know if this has like an, I don't know. I just come from like a life where I think of the word intimacy is like sexual. That's cool. Never really think of it as like touch. And I came from, um, from probably at household that didn't show just hugging and touching as a way of intimacy either. but I, rediscovering intimacy would be like, I might need a hug more often, or I might need that massage more often, like light touch massage. So that's something I'll probably discuss with my husband about like for next time too, and Yeah, this was a big part of the book for, for myself. She,

Jordan: 37:56

yeah, she talks about another really cool thing. If you're feeling like you're worried about the connection between you and your partner, or you want to prioritize the connection between you and your partner, if you have a partner around, this section's really helpful. Really interesting. She provides like a few different, really cool ways of going into like how to approach finding that connection. And one of them is sharing the birth story. And then there were a couple of really simple, quick ones, like just like laying in bed together and looking at each other, looking into each other's eyes, like little things you just wouldn't do, especially not in a postpartum period that I do think are really important. So if you have a partner, that's a great section to get to. If you don't have a partner, I would just recommend skipping it. Yeah.

Lindsay: 38:37

Okay, so Part 3 is Beyond. Beyond the Fourth Trimester. Bye bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye bye. This comes with accepting the amount of time, I think.

Jordan: 38:47

That it takes to get back to some sort of level of this is normal for me now. Body. Goddamn.

Lindsay: 38:53

Maybe your own personal sexuality, whether that's solo or with someone. Yeah. Discovering even like, the type of mom you foresee yourself being in your child's life. And how you want to be and following your, following your true like gut feeling and instinctions first, like they're going to have so many opinions and so many angles coming at you of how to parent. And you're going to have a lot of people that are generations ahead of you saying you're not doing it right. Or this, this, this, this, this, this. Not as much as Lindsay wanted those mentors around. It turned out I didn't really want them around.

Jordan: 39:38

I'm just kidding. It turned out I

Lindsay: 39:39

really just wanted to be, continue my independent self. Yeah. No, I'm totally joking. It was great, but I'm just so comfortable in my independence that

Jordan: 39:51

No, but, and, and also like there are, there, there is a big difference between someone wanting to give you help and someone telling you how to do something. Yeah. Very, yeah. Very true. And you'll be able to spot the difference. Yes. And feel it for yourself.

Lindsay: 40:04

Yeah. You can

Jordan: 40:05

make your

Lindsay: 40:05

own judgments. You will feel that internally. Very much so. Uh huh. Um, so part three, beyond the fourth trimester is really like just kind of seeing everything into the future. This is where the time comes. It's important that you return to your exercise in sexuality in thoughtful and informed ways. For the rest of your life, for the rest of your life. So rediscovering your body, there are some moms that feel like postpartum is 10 years long. Yeah,

Jordan: 40:32

man. Rediscovering your body is a really cool section. I really liked that one because I was so super surprised at the way my body felt when, when I was pregnant the first time. And even now, like just the feeling of looseness in my joints, I do a lot of yoga and I do a lot of climbing and my joints are very important to me and I use them a lot. Yeah. And they feel very different doing these different poses and things. I remember being like Way beyond six weeks postpartum with my first kid and realizing that I still didn't even feel like I could do like a simple position like upward dog because my core muscles still feel so weird. Yeah, sure. And I remember thinking it took like six months or something to get back into my normal, like yoga practice, even though I was doing it often during

Lindsay: 41:16

that six month period of time. Did you find yourself like a little bit of judgment?

Jordan: 41:20

I was pretty, I was actually pretty good, I think, about not being too judgmental. I think that there might have been days where I was like, damn, I really just want to feel strong again. Or like, damn, I just really want to do this pose again. Or like maybe a little bit annoyed, but not like judgmental. But I can definitely see it slipping into a judgmental space, especially if you don't, like, I'm a little nervous about that this second time because I'm like, when am I going to do a yoga practice? Yeah. And getting that like worked into my day might be a lot trickier now that I have two kids with nap schedules to coordinate in order to find time for that. You know what I mean? So yeah. Maybe this time it'll be different, but I do think I was good about giving myself that grace And I think that yeah, you I was told by another woman like you've got to give yourself at least three months grace Yep, and I was like, I'm glad to hear that because you just hear

Lindsay: 42:10

six weeks.

Jordan: 42:11

Yes. You're just here six weeks for sex You just hear six weeks for and I didn't have my sex drive back after six weeks No. Not

Lindsay: 42:20

even a little bit. My doctor was like, are you ready? Yeah. Are you ready for birth control? Because you're going to need it. You're probably going to start ovulating again. And My husband's not doing that. I'm having sex.

Jordan: 42:29

Nope. You're wrong. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. So, and maybe, yeah, that's definitely different for everyone too, but I think it's really common for women to have very decreased sex drives after. Yeah. In that postpartum phase. And I think that that's another thing, grace, and I hope you don't feel like you have to do it for your husband's sake. Yeah. He'll live through the period of a little drought. Yeah. Yeah, you will.

Lindsay: 42:59

This is a huge, like, you have to remind yourself. She tells, says you've remind yourself that you're in the middle of a huge monumental process that is probably longer than you anticipated. Yes. And so hearing that, like, give yourself three months, like this whole six week thing, I would say like the way I felt during my

Jordan: 43:18

yoga practice, I would say six months and I know I had a C section, so maybe it was a little longer, but like, yeah. Yeah, six months before you start judging yourself and don't judge yourself even after that because you're doing your best.

Lindsay: 43:29

Yeah

Jordan: 43:31

I thought one section, uh one little part in that section that I found What's that just

Lindsay: 43:35

doing

Jordan: 43:35

it safely too. Oh safely. Definitely Yeah, I had some advice early on that was like from a another strong female Climbing friend of mine and she said my biggest regret You Was getting into doing harder exercises than my body could handle too quickly. And I felt like my healing process was totally destroyed because of it. And I was like, whoops, scared about that. Yeah, duly noted. I will not do anything strenuous,

Lindsay: 44:00

right? For some reason I had this thought that I had to get so many steps in a day. Um, actually, we're just going to start around the block.

Jordan: 44:08

Yeah. And you have the rest of your life to get those steps in. Don't even stress. One thing I really liked in this section was there was a part that I found really interesting and it's an exercise that I want to try. Oh, um, is it the sexuality one, the mother one? Oh no, it's not extra, an actual physical exercise. Are

Lindsay: 44:25

you talking about possibly, um, just finding like the pelvic floor imagery? No, but that is good too. Yeah. Where you like, imagine like a ladybug. Did you read that part? I

Jordan: 44:36

remember it, but I've heard so many different pelvic floor analogies. Okay. My favorite pelvic floor analogy is, uh, I got this one from a girl called Nikki Bergen, I believe she's on at the bell method on Instagram. She's awesome. her, her analogy for like tightening the pelvic floor is to imagine there's like, all three of your openings. Your exterior anal sphincter, your vagina, and your urethra. Imagine there's like a marble at your anus, a rectum. Rectum's a nicer word. There's a marble at your rectum. I guess I have to cue that in. I like a blueberry at your vagina and like a flaxseed at your urethra. And imagine you're like trying to like grab all of them and like, Oh, wow.

Lindsay: 45:20

That's interesting because I've only really thought about like kegels. I

Jordan: 45:24

know. And that's like the problem that a lot of people have. Yeah. There's so much to get into with pelvic floor stuff, but yeah, the pelvic floor stuff's cool. No, what I was going to say is, um, There's an exercise that I want to do, it's like a written exercise where she says, write mother in one column and write sexuality or whatever in another column and like, free write as many things that describe that thing in your brain as you can. Her describing is very well.

Lindsay: 45:50

Yeah. No, but her writing cues, uh, literally from each person. Chapter

Jordan: 45:56

are really cool,

Lindsay: 45:57

really cool. Yeah.

Jordan: 45:59

Yeah. Because she talks about how it can be hard to like, feel like a sexual being and also feel like a mother and hold those two in the same body.

Lindsay: 46:06

And

Jordan: 46:07

I have found that like, especially like with my boobs and stuff, like they're now like tools for breastfeeding. They used to be something my husband really enjoyed, but like, I don't want him anywhere near me. It's hard to even like, for me to like, look at myself in the same way that I used to like sexually, it does get very convoluted and confusing afterwards. Very much. And your body feels way different. Like during pregnancy, I really struggle with sex. Like I actually think it's, everything just doesn't feel the same. Like the things that worked for you before, like suddenly I'm like, I don't I feel like a teenager again trying to figure out how to get off. Yes. It's so weird.

Lindsay: 46:45

And like, you're like, this doesn't normally make me out of breath. Yeah. Why are we? Yeah, that too. Like, I wanted to keep going, but now I'm distracted because I'm out of breath or like, distracted because I I feel like my

Jordan: 46:59

parts are just rearranged and it's like, just different. Things are being Also distracting. Yeah. It's very weird. Weird. It's a very weird experience. So I hope that you, uh, my best advice for that is to try and have as open communication with your partner as you can. That's something I'm working on personally is just being comfortable saying this feels different to what I'm used to. It's not like it's you, my body's just changing. Let's try and, let's try and explore different things, you know. Try stuff like that. A lot of people don't feel comfy talking with their partners about sex, but now's a good time to start if you, and you can use this

Lindsay: 47:37

as an excuse

Jordan: 47:38

if you don't feel comfortable.

Lindsay: 47:40

Yeah.

Jordan: 47:40

Good time to start. So that's something I really liked from that section too. Yeah. You could even like reference our podcast.

Lindsay: 47:46

Yeah, go for it. Okay. So this part of the book is really neat. She has like a conclusion, then she has acknowledgements and then she does like the section of appendix where It's like a guide, a guide that like questions that you can really start visualizing how this goes all down for you. So,

Jordan: 48:08

so it's like a sanctuary, like a postpartum what you want that to look like.

Lindsay: 48:17

What do you want the first two weeks and then the first month. Like what do those actually look like as far as just the visitor section goes? And then rest. What are the obstacles around rest? Obviously, toddler.

Jordan: 48:30

Obviously

Lindsay: 48:30

having a

Jordan: 48:30

toddler

Lindsay: 48:31

at home is an obstacle to rest. Yeah, so just discussing that with your partner. What's another one? what are the ways you can address those? My husband and I are in couples therapy. We've been in it for a little while and we absolutely love it, but there's a something, I don't know if you and your spouse experience this, but a lot of parents experience this short term communication. Short term communication obviously comes when you are like parenting together and you have one child in between you and you just got to get to the point a lot quicker and it can come off real harsh or it can come off too quick or too brash and all of a sudden there's some feelings and emotions going on. Yeah. And so, how can you address The way you need to rest without saying, Oh, I need to be left the fuck alone. Yeah. You know, you might be feeling that with your hormones and your emotions and everything, but really sitting down and figuring out how you can address that to people around you is good. how do you manage visitors around resting time? So, or in general, we. So for instance, just for example, we have family that lives out of town. They're all gonna be visiting this area when we have a child. So we've thought, okay, we're gonna have to set like probably time frames. Where they can come into the house and where they need to leave you alone for a bit. So that's a great way to like, that's, that would be like an example of an answer for that part. And then she's got like food, three, what are three balanced snacks that you should always have in the household? This is just a really great way to really foresee your fourth trimester and how to plan it and just a really nice way for sure

Jordan: 50:06

Speaking of yeah, like for me the fourth trimester planning while I'm pregnant is all about getting food in the house And all about getting my house just like clean and tidy So when you walk into a room, so you don't to think about that should think about like clutter

Lindsay: 50:19

like distracted finding your tribe who can you really call to tell you how you're really feeling? You would obviously be that person for me here for that. Who can you trust your bait? Who can you trust to take your baby? If you need like a walk while you're a spouse while you

Jordan: 50:36

need to take care of your baby. Yeah. And then

Lindsay: 50:39

you're wider. Having an idea of who your wider, tribe is, is like, yeah, like your acupuncturist or OBGYN, midwife, housekeeper, night nurse, distant family,

Jordan: 50:51

other friends.

Lindsay: 50:52

Yeah. And then another really good one. What brings you joy? Music, movement, singing, watching some like comforting TV show. Yeah. A little self care. Yeah. postpartum relationship plan. How do you deal with stress? How does he deal with stress? He or she? How do you deal with stress? what do you commit to in your relationship once you have a baby? So what is something you guys are going to commit to?

Jordan: 51:15

Like what like daily or weekly strategy.

Lindsay: 51:17

Yeah

Jordan: 51:19

Dividing the household chores. You guys do this. Yeah, we do. But we're going to probably do it, we might have to do it differently for the first like month. Yeah. Most part I don't want to do as much as I currently do. I don't want to go to the store. Yeah.

Lindsay: 51:32

Exactly. So yeah, I could probably be that per, you know, person if your husband can't do it or I'm out and about or whatever. Totally. A good thing to have. Yeah. we talked about essential foods and snacks. Mm-Hmm. uh, she's got a list of all like the things that are really helpful, which is really cool. You don't really see this kind of information from your, from your Western medicine doctors. They're not giving you a list of like nutritious foods. Here's some nuts that are very like great during healing. They're not doing that. So this is kind of a nice way to research that and like what grains are good and what beverages and liquids are good. And she's got some recipes on the back which are great too. I have my recipes that I really like that worked for me that I have under my belt. So I'm good with that. Like,

Jordan: 52:14

yeah, I'd say stock your freezer with soups. Yeah. Easy digestible foods was it for me. Yeah. I'm definitely looking forward to going through all of those, especially with. Uh, my husband and just making sure we're on the same page. It's also just like nice because you kind of get into this point in your pregnancy where you're like, I'm ready to start preparing, but I, I know there's only so much prep I can do by myself. And I really want to start talking about this with my partner. Cause even, especially with just talking about another kid in the house, like you just don't make time for that so much, or at least we haven't. So that'll give us a good, like just jumping off point. I'll just be like, we, I have this thing I want us to do together. And then it's like, yeah. It gives us the framework for an entire conversation. Yes. Which is really nice for two tired parents who don't want to try and have a conversation to shop their own bags. I know that sounds crazy, but I'm looking forward to

Lindsay: 53:03

that. It's all just like, like I said, this book is beautiful and wonderful and go, I say go into it with a very open mind. Yes. Because this is a really hot topic. How it can fit. It can

Jordan: 53:14

be triggering. And it can also be really useful. Yeah, I like, I was a little bit triggered by that one section, but otherwise I really found a lot of value in the book as a whole, even in that one section. Cause it is, that was the section that triggered

Lindsay: 53:28

me as well. Yeah. Just because even though I hadn't had one C section delivered hundreds of babies via that way and it was just fine. And yeah.

Jordan: 53:37

Yeah. Yeah, just keep that in mind. But ultimately, uh, yeah, a really good read. I definitely recommend it. I know you've said that you would read this even if you were a mom who wasn't planning on having any more kids, because it can help you process the way your whole pregnancy birth and postpartum period went.

Lindsay: 53:55

Yeah,

Jordan: 53:56

absolutely. So yeah, check it out if you didn't read it already to follow along with us. Have a little peek in that book fourth trimester. It's a good one. All right. Well, that went on for like quite a while. So let's wrap it all up. I have, I feel like we should still do a recommendation. I have, I have a good rec for today. So I have been, obviously before the July times just came in one and we're in the middle of summer where we're having barbecues, getting at friends houses all the time. and. There's something in my life that I've been missing a lot that we used last summer and my kid's just a little too big for it now. And that is a like pop and go high chair. Like eating high chair. Oh, yeah. So I have the, tell me, wait,

Lindsay: 54:43

what's it look like? I don't know.

Jordan: 54:44

You have one. Oh, the little, the little like portable high chairs, like a travel booster high chair that has like a little, Hi, so it's the summer, the one I have specifically, there are obviously tons of these, but it's the summer infant pop and sit portable high chair.

Lindsay: 55:04

It looks like a little lawn chair. Yeah,

Jordan: 55:06

so if your kid isn't super big yet and they're high chairing and you're going to people's houses or going camping or going on a trip and you don't want to bring a high chair, this thing is the

Lindsay: 55:16

best. The funnest part for them to have, like, they love sitting in that, having a snack outside. My kid

Jordan: 55:21

loved it. Yeah, I'm really sad that that doesn't work now because we're in this awkward stage where like she's not big enough to sit at a table. She's like a little too messy to sit on the floor and eat. Yeah. I just missed that thing. So if you don't have one, yeah, of course I have it. Yeah. Yeah. But I'll use it for kid number two next summer. Yeah. Cause that's a good,

Lindsay: 55:45

it'll be good timing for him to use that. Yep. Totally. So yeah, she'll have to get like a little toddler full, like a lawn chair.

Jordan: 55:54

Yeah. I should get her one of those actually. That'd be cute. Or maybe they make a bigger version of this. I just haven't yet head up to shields and

Lindsay: 56:00

just kind of look and see what's on the shelf and then. I don't know. Yeah. Let's see what's around. Yeah. Out now. Anyway,

Jordan: 56:07

check that out. Enjoy your summer barbecues. That much more. Yeah. Yeah. That's all I got. That's really fun. Cheers. Cool.

Lindsay: 56:14

Cool. All right. So we talked about, uh, next time we're probably going to discuss. Oh, is that in my mind? We had been

Jordan: 56:21

talking about birth planning, but well, birth stories, like our birth stories, which we can totally share. It might not be next time, but I think soon, um. I think that'd be cool. Yeah. I do too. I have so many things that my kid's going through right now, like transitioning to a toddler bed and potty training and lots of really, really big topics. So these will all be coming up really soon because we're in the, in the throes of, yeah. Like capable toddler hood. And

Lindsay: 56:48

that's like coming up for me. I'm four months behind you. Yeah. With our daughter and that's all

Jordan: 56:54

approaching. So we need to get to recording some more episodes, which we will do. Um, in the meantime, if you'd like to give us a follow, we are at wehavekidspodcast on Instagram. Please feel free to subscribe to our podcast. Like us.

Lindsay: 57:09

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Jordan: 57:13

Leave us a little review if you feel inclined, or just really sweet today. Awesome. Thank you so much. Yeah.

Lindsay: 57:21

We'll talk to you soon. Talk to you later. Bye.