Jordan: 0:00

We've had that thing in our living room for like three months now. Because my kid's obsessed with it. Obsessed. It's her

Lindsay: 0:09

cute

Jordan: 0:10

little chair. It's her cute little seat. She

Lindsay: 0:12

loves it. Everybody go find the Mexican cheddar treat. Shredded cheese box from Costco.

Jordan: 0:29

Hi! Hello, hello! Comfy evening at Jordan's house. Yeah, another comfy, comfy little meeting.

Lindsay: 0:41

Another meeting. Jordan and I have many meetings together. Yes,

Jordan: 0:44

we've had two today. All kinds

Lindsay: 0:46

of meetings. We have these type of meetings. We have playdate meetings. Yeah. We have drop off meetings. Swap items.

Jordan: 0:58

Walk meetings. Yeah. All kinds Yeah. We are here to meet each other, Yeah. Welcome to, welcome back to the podcast. We have kids, we do, we have kids. And another topic. To talk about yeah, I'm from the long long long list. My list is just growing and growing. Yeah, mine is too

Lindsay: 1:17

Yeah, the more the more we have this time in between I'm Mindblown by like multiple things in one day Yeah

Jordan: 1:27

Yeah, totally Yeah, I like I've been thinking about when, um, when we're going to get a little like training potty already. If you

Lindsay: 1:37

have a book, I have one for you to help. I have two for you.

Jordan: 1:41

Okay. Potty training books? Yeah. Okay. Those are so fun.

Lindsay: 1:45

What are they? P for Potty with

Jordan: 1:47

Elmo. Oh, like for the kid to read. Yeah. Okay, cute. I was just like thinking this was good for the parents.

Lindsay: 1:54

I have no idea what kind of books for that. But P for Potty, it's the Elmo hardcover and it's got like 30 tabs that flip. Oh, cute. And it keeps them like, well, my daughter's not quite ready for this yet, but we did get it for her just to kind of like flip through and play with, but it keeps them. flipping through the book for Minutes like long periods of time. So I think it's a good one to have on the potty. Yeah, that sounds great and then um Cute, I think it's one that I had growing up. I think it's called. I have a potty It's like this French version author, um, I have,

Jordan: 2:35

uh, are you looking it up right now?

Lindsay: 2:38

Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. Once upon a potty.

Jordan: 2:41

Oh, once upon a potty. Oh, that's cute. By

Lindsay: 2:43

Alana Frankel. I had that and it's the girl one. I had that when I was a little, little one.

Jordan: 2:50

So, Once Upon a Potty. Yep, MP

Lindsay: 2:52

for Potty. Those are great books. Yeah. Once Upon a Potty is a good one. It was like, burned. Images in my mind. I open that book and I'm like, this is a book that I for sure had as a kid because I know every single page. That's

Jordan: 3:04

so weird. Yeah,

Lindsay: 3:05

it's darling. It's a cute little book. Um, so it they're both board books and We have those in our house. So if you need a book

Jordan: 3:14

Cool. Yeah, I recommend I did look in the potty section at the library last time we went so I will Yeah, i'll maybe take you up on that. I don't think we're quite ready but We're kind of to a point where she's like aware of what happens on the potty. I don't know, I haven't done any research about when you're supposed to start or what cues you're meant to look for. So. Uh, yeah, keep your eyes tuned, or your eyes tuned, tune those eyes. Mm hmm. That'll be an episode soon, I think. Yeah.

Lindsay: 3:38

And I'm sure you're talking about when you, like, Mom's gonna go potty,

Jordan: 3:43

Daddy's gonna go potty. Yeah, definitely. She's sitting in there with me every day. Yeah. Yeah.

Lindsay: 3:48

I think that's a very good

Jordan: 3:49

start. Yeah. So, yeah, lots of things coming up. Cool.

Lindsay: 3:52

I'm, I just got, me and my daughter both just got done with RSV.

Jordan: 3:56

Oh yeah, yuck. They were out. They were out for the count. Yeah. That lasted like, how long did that last? It was ages. Felt like ages. For sure two

Lindsay: 4:08

weeks for her. Because we went into the pediatrician twice. And I don't know, it was like day 12. I went in second time and I was like, this is not some like

Jordan: 4:21

help. Yeah. Someone do something.

Lindsay: 4:25

Yeah. And thank God we did not have to be hospitalized or anything, but man sucks. We had to stay away from everybody.

Jordan: 4:36

Yeah. We haven't recorded for a while because Yeah. Yeah. I didn't want to get RSV two We don't have that

Lindsay: 4:42

set up where we're both like in separate homes or across the United States or anything like that. We're together doing our podcast, so, yes, I had to stay far, far away. Yeah.

Jordan: 4:52

Two blocks away. But they're better now. It took a little while. Yeah. Our little kiddo was feeling super sad. Yeah,

Lindsay: 4:59

she's better. I'm getting there. I'm better. I'm not contagious. I'm not contagious. So, that's

Jordan: 5:06

good. Yeah. Still tired, probably.

Lindsay: 5:08

Yeah, my husband's been busy this month. I've been taking over, primary child care.

Jordan: 5:14

I would say that you Yeah, can you tell? That's all I was gonna say. Like, primary child care is one thing, but like, sole child care is another thing. Like, you're kind of already always on primary child

Lindsay: 5:28

care. Yeah, I am the primary child care person. Um, and I have been the sole, well he's gone, the sole childcare person, which I love, don't get me wrong, I love, love, love every moment spent with her, but my mental load brain has tapped out. Yeah. We have, he leaves again tomorrow through the weekend, so it's a Wednesday through Sunday

Jordan: 5:56

ish. Oh, tomorrow is

Lindsay: 5:57

Wednesday. Yeah. Yeah. And so we have. Playdates ready to go with Jordan. Two playdates, I think, right? Sure, why not? We're going to the library. Yeah. To get our library card.

Jordan: 6:08

Fun. Words. Getting out of that house. Yeah, we're not sick anymore. We can

Lindsay: 6:14

go out and about. We did a park today, which was so fun. Yeah, we went to a really cool park. Yeah, it's been so nice outside here. Sounds like everybody's having a really warm winter across the US, but yeah, that doesn't shock me.

Jordan: 6:25

We're having a nice one. It's been pretty nice. We had like a, I feel like January was a little rough. We had a couple of weeks of just straight up gray that were getting a little bit intense for my brain. But yeah, today I was in literally in a tank top and shorts laying in my front on my front porch reading. Oh yeah. Something I was like, Oh, I haven't done that in so long. It felt so good. That's amazing. Oh, so good. Yeah.

Lindsay: 6:48

Yeah. Yeah. It's a instant boost that sunlight. Oh,

Jordan: 6:51

yeah. It's a huge for me. It's a huge boost like it's like changes my whole Physiology. Yeah, so Yeah, I love the good weather. Yeah, so here we are. So we're back. We're back We're ready to talk about kid stuff because we have kids we're ready to talk about them And all this stuff. Yeah,

Lindsay: 7:08

uh, we're talking about a big one right now. Um, just because we're Well, you've been in this phase for a hot second, I'm entering it, kind of, but you're gonna start chit chatting about toddler food refusal.

Jordan: 7:21

Yes. Yes. Here we go. Yeah, so there was like one thing that I wanted to bring up. And I, like, um, the swipe? The swipe. Oh,

Lindsay: 7:33

I know what you're saying. I know what you're talking about. My first, my first thought was like, you know, social or whatever, but

Jordan: 7:38

then I was like, oh, wait a second. On Instagram, not that kind of swiping. We're talking about Tyler Food or whatever. This is something that my kid does sometimes straight out the gate and she sometimes waits until she's like, you know, halfway done with her food or whatever, or she just maybe sometimes is feeling like a little dramatic and wants to make a statement, but basically it's when she's got beautifully, lovingly prepared food on her tray and, uh, decides that she wants to just like swipe it all off onto the floor. It's really cute. It's really fun. And it's been something we're dealing with. Uh, yeah, we've been dealing with it for a hot minute. Yeah. And she's

Lindsay: 8:16

going as fast as

Jordan: 8:17

possible too. Oh, she gets it off. They're so like, so fast. It's lightning fast. It's insane. It's yeah. Why do they do this? I don't know Yep, it's not that fun. So yeah, that's a little part of toddler food refusal, which yes, is what we're going to talk about. so there are a couple of things to consider when, when we're talking about the topic of toddler food refusal that I want to talk about just a little bit before we get, straight out the gate, because the first thing that came up when I was researching this online. was always the same. It was always, is your toddler refusing food because it's like a normal toddler behavior or do you have a picky eater? Okay. So something that I didn't know is that there's a difference. There's a difference between food refusal and picky eating. And actually I would have thought that picky eating, it sounds more docile, but it's actually the more problematic, behavior of the two. And it's not necessarily just typical toddler behavior. Um, so food refusal. It's also called toddler selectivity. You may have heard it called that. All right, so yeah, this behavior tends to peak around age two, Most kids go through this kind of phase at some point while they're a toddler, just as they're gaining their independence and asserting their dominance over you as a parent. Yeah. And it can take a lot of different forms. So my kid loves the swipe. Like I said, and she, she'll just swipe at any old time. It's, it's honestly, it's mostly when she's kind of thinks she's finished, but. Oftentimes I can get her to eat more of the food that she's swiped. I'll talk about how later. Got a few tips, but it can be like throwing food. It can be a little butt about going into or staying in their high chair. Um, throwing a fuss about that. It could be getting mad about like the specific food you're serving or wanting something different. it could be, they're just only eating a little and then they're like, yeah, I'm all done. And you're like, no, you're definitely not. sometimes they spit food out. And then yeah, generally like with the food refusal, they're just showing an inconsistent eating, pattern, whereas with picky eating, like it's its own whole thing. Okay. Um, it's something to, they say it's something to worry about a little bit more because it can be a sign that there's. like a bigger underlying issue. Very interesting. Happening like maybe the kid has anxiety or is having difficulty with like their sensory processing is another thing it could be from. I feel like I hear a

Lindsay: 10:30

lot about picky eaters.

Jordan: 10:33

Yeah, like I didn't I like okay, so there I did hear a little bit on Instagram like I follow only one Toddler food chick and she's great. I'll talk about her in like a minute, but that's the only place I had ever heard of it from. Yeah, but it can be a sign that. Like, it could be just that your kid's going through an especially difficult toddler phase, but it could also be a sign of something underlying. So typically they say to, um, get some kind of help and like look into that a little bit. One resource that I would love to shout out is something that Lindsay and I have already known about. It's a called Solid Starts. Yeah, they're awesome. They're awesome for all things food.

Lindsay: 11:09

All things like, even like choking hazards and like what it could look like and what even like gagging, like gagging or versus choking. Like I,

Jordan: 11:18

I appreciate your Minnesota accent just came out so much. Yeah. When you said gagging, I was like, where's she going to go with this? I didn't think you were going to say gagging. I

Lindsay: 11:29

bet you're right. I don't like, I did change the word bag. I think I've talked about that before. You

Jordan: 11:34

didn't though. You say it. Yeah. Yeah. I go back and forth. Man. Anyway, sorry, I had to point that out. Yeah, where were we? Solid Start. Solid Start. So good. Such a great resource. It's a great resource. They have, it's a paid, mostly a paid resource, but they did have, a bundle for toddler food refusal and toddlers eating generally. And then also they have some, a specific set of like questions that they go through with you to determine whether your kid is a picky eater. So if you're wondering, if you're like, this kind of sounds like my kid, how do I know? Go to Solid Start's website. That's definitely, definitely a resource to check out. And the other girl who I was going to mention too is the one who I said I follow on Instagram. Her handle is kidseatincolor, I think that's the one you shared with me. Yeah. So she's really good. Her website actually has a lot of free, information on it. So that's a really good place to check out too. She

Lindsay: 12:32

is awesome. Every time she posts. Just so intrigued by watching what she's doing and what's going on. And like, Oh, okay.

Jordan: 12:38

Yeah. Yeah. Her information is great. Yeah. Yeah. And it's really palatable. It's like, yep. Very small, chunked down for the busy mom to just like. Absorb real quick.

Lindsay: 12:48

And she's really good with how to conversate with your, with your toddler and child. Yeah.

Jordan: 12:52

About the foods that you're eating and why you eat them. And yeah, all sorts. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. She's great. So quick shout out to her. She's awesome.

Lindsay: 13:00

Jennifer Anderson. Jennifer

Jordan: 13:02

Anderson. Kids eat in color. Kids eat in color. Perfect. 1. 9

Lindsay: 13:05

million

Jordan: 13:06

followers. Whoa, really? Oh, she doesn't need our shout out. No. She is set. Dang, I had no idea she had that many followers. That is

Lindsay: 13:15

a of great highlights too.

Jordan: 13:18

She's so good. There's actually something really cool on her website that I found while I was looking this stuff up. So, if there's a specific type of food, your kid hasn't been open to and you want some help kind of coming up with creative new ways to offer it to them because obviously exposure, exposure, exposure is going to make you crazy. Like you don't want to have to cut, you've got so much on your plate already. You don't want to come up with creative ways to feed your kid the same food that they've been refusing. So there's a section on the kids eating color website where you can choose that specific food and it'll walk you through like an activity. You can do with that food with your kid, it will tell you how to talk about it specifically with your kid. It will tell you different ways to serve it to your kid that you probably haven't thought of already. And like, yeah, it's, it's crazy. And it's a free resource.

Lindsay: 14:05

She's got like recipes and everything straight for like,

Jordan: 14:08

it's tons. Yeah, Lindsay, she has tons of content. And obviously she has some paid content, too, that's probably incredible, but the stuff she's giving away for free is just, it feels like a gift. So, go check it out because it's so fun. Like, even, even though my kid will eat a lot of foods, there were some on there that I wanted to just, like, Check out the activities and stuff just because it's like something fun to do. Yeah, yeah. Um, so yeah, definitely give that resource a go. It's super cool Alright, so, gonna put picky eating to the side now. there's also this one other thing I wanted to mention. It's called neophobia. Have you heard of it? You have heard of it? How am I not hearing about any of this? I hope this is news for someone else out there besides me. I mean, Lindsay knows tons of stuff, but I have never heard of this. It's, something that can happen spontaneously. It's got roots in evolution. Basically what it is, is, I mean, it's a phobia, it's what it sounds like, but it's a phobia, a fear of like new foods. Yes. Just generally. Yeah. And it's not the same as picky eating, apparently. Okay. Yeah. Those are like two totally different things. The neophobia can have something to do with like texture and so can picky eating. So it'd probably be kind of hard to distinguish, but the neophobia could be for certain colors, certain textures, a specific type of food.

Lindsay: 15:22

Or like, or like if all eyes are watching them try this new food and they're just like, what?

Jordan: 15:27

Maybe, yeah, maybe something like that. Like it's just like the pressure can be intense. Um, yeah, so they say it's evolutionary because obviously we had to like learn to differentiate foods that we could eat from foods that we couldn't. Yeah. And so imagine that. Yeah, it's crazy to think about. I always am like, how did we survive as a species? Like kids are so useless. Not useless, but man, they're not good at figuring out what they can and can't eat. They just eat everything for a while. And then nothing for a while. Like, what are we anyway, if your kids, if your kid is experiencing neophobia, they say the best thing to do is just keep exposing them to the food. Like that exposure is crazy, crazy important with toddlers that if they're refusing a certain type of food or they're not liking a certain type of food, they say to try the food like over 20 times before you give up trying that food and just maybe not like every single day, but yeah. Every few days, like reintroduce it, reintroduce it, so, and that can help with the neophobia because then they'll learn that it's a food that they can eat. So, there are some reasons why your child might be refusing food. apart from just the fact that they're gaining independence and it's going to happen anyway. So the questions to ask yourself are, is your child coming to the table hungry? to figure this out, you can ask yourself whether they're grazing or snacking a lot during the day. Are they drinking more than 16 ounces of any kind of milk, or do they nurse a whole bunch throughout the day? And are mealtimes inconsistent? So if you answered yes to any of those, then your kid might not be hungry when they're coming to eat. Okay, anyway, so, What can we do? What can we do about food refusal? Tell us what to do with the swipe. First of all, if you're getting frustrated that your, that your kids refusing their food, the first thing I'm going to recommend to you is to go on Reddit. I went on Reddit and I was looking at the threads about picky eating and food refusal, and I was like some of these poor moms were just having a. Day, like you could tell they're just ready to put their head in the wall, like read it, hang anymore. So maybe that made me feel better. I know that's messed up. It's a time warp. I know it is a time warp. I didn't get stuck there too long, but it will make you feel like you're not the only person out there with this issue. So give that a shot. Um, and then one of my favorite tips is this is going to be like a bit of a list of tips, but the first thing to remember is that it's actually really hard. for your kid to eat. Like it's difficult. It's not like we can eat so mindlessly and I do. I eat so mindlessly so much of the time, but it's like when I watch my kid eating with a fork or a spoon or even sometimes with her hands, it, I can see the amount of concentration that it's requiring of her. And then I'm like, Oh yeah, no. Like she's experiencing all of these things for the first time. This is tricky. I don't know if you've ever taken mushrooms and tried to eat something. I haven't. No, I like what I have ever, but it would probably, it's probably difficult. It's probably hard. I just bought

Lindsay: 18:31

my daughter a fork today. Oh, did you? So it's her first fork. She's been doing great with the spoon and everything, but now we're gonna try a fork and I

Jordan: 18:39

have no idea. My kid actually does better. Well, it depends on the food, but she okay. She's really good with a fork. She's been eating with a fork for a little like a hot minute now. Good. Yeah, so I'm going to skip to, that's a nice segue. That's another good tip. So when my kid starts to swipe, that's when I'll offer her utensils. Okay. Unless it's something like if she's eating like chia pudding or oatmeal or like cottage cheese or something, I'll give her that with a spoon and just let her self feed. She's pretty good at that. It gets everywhere, but she, like. Does she

Lindsay: 19:08

do better when she gets that utensil? Yes. See, I, she totally does. Yeah. I wonder if she thinks like finger food is like playtime, you

Jordan: 19:16

know? Like, yeah. Or maybe it's even the opposite. Like she, I can tell when she picks up the fork that she's like ready to like, get serious. Wow. Like, she like gets her like whole persona changes and she's like, going to tackle this challenge. Like it's, it's like not about the food at that point, and whether she's like really hungry. Oh, I love that. But she does eat so much more once I give her that fork or a spoon, if it's. If that makes sense. Um, so I usually just give it, give her food as finger food first, and then let her get kind of frustrated because she'll be quicker with the finger food. And then once she kind of thinks she's going to swipe it all off, I'll just be like, Hey, do you want a fork? And she'll be like, fork. And I'm like, okay, cool. Have the fork. And then she usually eats almost all of the rest of it, which is great. Another thing you can do when they get to that point where they're like throwing their food or throwing a fit or whatever your kid does is offer. A dip. Yes. Dips. Dips are our best friend right now. Like our best best friend.

Lindsay: 20:16

I remember when you were telling me that you guys Introduce her to ketchup. Oh, yeah. For her, like, what was it? Ground beef or something. Yes.

Jordan: 20:24

Uh huh. That was it. Yeah. She was swiping it. I was like, no, this isn't happening. Yeah. Do you want to dip? And she just goes dip, dip, dip, dip and gets so excited. Yeah, it started with some pancakes. I was making her these really good pancakes. And you were just talking about pancakes the other day. That's so funny. Um, but yeah, I was making her these pancakes that are just basically like oats, banana, egg and milk. Yeah. And you just blend it up and you make a cute little pancake. They're really good. Um, well, I don't think they're that good. She loves them and they're like nutritious. Yeah,

Lindsay: 20:54

I know. I've tried

Jordan: 20:55

some of those and I'm like, what? They don't taste great, but we're like accustomed to like slutty American pancakes, so. Um, that makes sense. Yes. Um, but yeah, so we, I mean, I try not to make her pancakes because obviously the, the most sensible dip for that is maple syrup and she has had a little and she obviously loves that, but I'll just give her like a little like dime size amount on her tray and then, yeah, we've only done ketchup a couple of times with like ground beef and maybe eggs, but that's one of the things. She'll do really well with a fork with um, but if it's something else like a sweet potato or a vegetable I'll just put a little olive oil on the tray Oh, yeah, and let her dip it even in like melted butter or olive oil and you don't need to put a lot on the tray Just like you know, a nickel sized amount and it's enough for her to get excited and like think she's doing something new It's really nice. Yeah, so give that a shot Yeah, yeah. You don't have to use like unhealthy, crazy dips. Well, at least not when your kid's my kid's age. Maybe once she like, it's, rises up to the fact that olive oil is not a dip. I'll be in trouble, but, um, yeah. So another thing you can do is eat the same foods with them at the same time. Let the mirror neurons take over a little bit. That one's good. Um, that one's really good for the neophobia too, just cause they can see that the food is safe. Um, let's see, you could try the food in a different form. So, an example of this tonight, we were having some salmon. And we had it with some sweet potatoes. And she was not digging the salmon too much after a little bit, but she was really liking the sweet potatoes. Sweet potato, so basically I would just take a little sweet potato and like mush it between my fingers and just sandwich a little piece of salmon in there and pop it in her mouth. I'm sure everyone's gotten desperate enough to try something like this. Right. That works really nicely if you can do that. Yeah.

Lindsay: 22:50

Yeah, that sweet potato, those are nice because they like hide flavors pretty well.

Jordan: 22:55

They do. And textures too, I think, probably. I haven't tried it because I don't really want to eat my fish sandwich in between clumps of sweet potato. But yeah, I've got a feeling it's probably good. So the next thing that I would say is, one thing that became really important with us for our kid is to offer her foods one at a time. So instead of, I really liked putting everything on the tray and seeing the nice like rainbow colors and it looks all cute and it looks like I really care about her a lot. Of course, of course. And I work in a food company. food and beverage. So yeah, I am caring about presentation for my one year old. Um, but for her, what actually works better is to have one food at a time and starting with the one that she's least likely to finish. So tonight, for example, I gave her the fish first and then the sweet potato and then the green beans cause she actually loves green beans. And then finally I gave her a strawberry for like after dinner, she loves it. She loves her strawberries. That has helped us a lot. Like in the morning, we'll give her an egg first and then chia pudding and then fruit or whatever it is. Sure. So that can be really helpful. And the last thing that we've tried, that I was just gonna mention, isn't always obvious. Sometimes she asks for it, but sometimes she doesn't. She just wants a drink. So sometimes she just wants some water. Like if it's a texture thing, or if her, I mean we do the same thing when we eat. If we eat something kind of dry, then we want to wash it down with something. Um, so you can definitely try. Giving your kids some water or something else to drink and it'll help with the texture the texture thing So that's the stuff that we've done There are a couple other tips that I thought might be worth mentioning The first is to avoid pressuring the child to eat. I think this is something that's kind of been made really popular in the kind of media and literature around this here Basically, what they say is this more often backfires and makes, like, if your kid's on the track for picky eating, it will make picky eating worse. so included, in this is using kind of neutral language about foods,, so if your kid says, this is gross or yuck, or makes any comment like that. You don't argue with them and you're not saying, Oh, this is good. Like, watch, I'm going to eat it. It's so good. Instead, you tell them facts about the food. Like for avocado, for example, you tell them, This is green. It's squishy. It's soft. You can use words like that that are descriptive instead of saying it's It's good. It's healthy. It's whatever. Right.

Lindsay: 25:23

Creamy.

Jordan: 25:23

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. So I'm going to maybe start practicing doing that because it sounds nice. It sounds fun. And also my kids learning her colors. So that'll help with that too. Yeah. yes. And then finally, my last little tip for you here is to take a long deep breath. And remember that it's temporary. You can get through it. Find support I'll be reaching out to you. Yeah, please

Lindsay: 25:49

do. A few months ahead of us. But yeah, you're my good reach out person.

Jordan: 25:55

Oh, you know what? I could also talk about here just real quick. I know I said I was done, but there is actually one more recommendation. This should go in our recommendation section, but it's off the cuff. So here we go. Is it off the cuff or off the cusp?

Lindsay: 26:08

Off the cuff. I think it's off. That is off the, uh oh, off the cuff. Off the cuff. Without

Jordan: 26:16

preparation. Okay. Yeah. Okay. This is off the cuff. Coming at you off the cuff.

Lindsay: 26:21

What does off the cuff mean? Made without being prepared or thought about

Jordan: 26:25

in advance. Okay. There you go. Yep. Yeah, I did not think about this in advance. This fits. Okay. So the thing is, I don't know if y'all out there have ever heard of a bench scraper. If you've heard of this, that's really cool. You probably work in a restaurant. If you haven't heard of this you probably don't. So it's basically, it looks like a big, like slab of, uh, not, not even that big of a slab of metal. How do I describe this? So if you've ever seen like a. Cleaving knife

Lindsay: 26:53

thick or a huge

Jordan: 26:55

chef's knife. Yeah, like really chunky square one It's basically it kind of looks similar to that except it's not sharp at the bottom It's just like a blunt metal edge. And then the top is like a handle like a flower scraper It's like four by five, right? Yeah, probably about like four by five and then yeah, it just has like a little Cylindrical plastic handle at the top. Yes. It's the best. So it's the very best thing. It's great for like Picking up a bunch of vegetables and throwing them in the pot all at once from your chopping board but the best thing that we use it for every single like three times a day is Scraping off the floor all of that food that my kid has swiped off her tray It's so good for that because you don't want to be using your broom for avocado No, you know and eggs you're like and you also don't want them to stay on the floor until they get hard enough to sweep Which

Lindsay: 27:44

is sometimes I'm tempted so you're using it before For as you're preparing your meal and then you're saving it for after. And then

Jordan: 27:49

we give it an immediate clean because it's being put, it honestly is the thing we use in our, we use it more than our knives right now. I'm not even joking. It's stupid. I'd love that. You'll use it. You'll use it forever. All right. And that's it. That's pretty much it. Take a deep breath. You can get through it. We have faith in you. Your kid will make it. Yeah. I love that. And you're doing a good job. Keep going. Keep

Lindsay: 28:12

going. And breathe.

Jordan: 28:14

And breathe. And try again. Tomorrow and the next day. Yeah. And the next day.

Lindsay: 28:20

Yes. Yeah. Oh, I'd love that though. Yeah. We have a puppy and she, She's an adult. Yeah, she's two. She's an

Jordan: 28:28

adult. I feel like she's, She's always gonna be a little puppy

Lindsay: 28:31

in your heart. Yeah. We always say puppy because It's my daughter's puppy if you will, but she loves to sit at at the bottom. Oh,

Jordan: 28:40

yeah She's getting she's getting some auxiliary.

Lindsay: 28:42

Yeah, my daughter's definitely given her like It's so interesting because she will take her scrambled egg and eat It and she'll also give it to the dog you like Randomly a bite here and there and she'll continue to eat it herself. Like she's, that's so, oh, she's taking care of her. She's not giving all her food to the dog. So cute. So she's going back

Jordan: 29:04

and forth a little bit. Oh, that's

Lindsay: 29:05

fresh. Yeah. We haven't had a lot of toddler refusal from her quite yet. The spitting out food thing is happening, but it's definitely at the end when she's full. Mm. Yeah. Um, so that's common. Uh, she's not a fan of. Grated apples. Like the texture.

Jordan: 29:22

Oh, interesting. I've never given my kid grated apples. She loves

Lindsay: 29:27

like soft apples or applesauce. But sometimes I was like, I'm just going to grate this up in her yogurt and see what happens. And she's just not

Jordan: 29:34

into it. No, not into the

Lindsay: 29:35

grated stuff. That's so funny. Yeah, and if we don't offer her food on a plate first, she loves her food on a plate. Really? Yes. That's so funny. Loves it. And if we don't bring the plate of food to her, she's like immediate tears. No way! Cause she thinks that like we're gonna feed her, you know, spoon feed her or something. And she just wants to be able to do it herself. Cause sometimes I have like a little oatmeal and I do have like a little bowl of that off to the side that I bring over, but like. If it's not in her plate. Ready to go. She's bummed. She's so

Jordan: 30:10

bummed. Oh no.

Lindsay: 30:12

That's so cute. We'll see how long this,

Jordan: 30:14

like, lettuce or whatever. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, so she loves her plate. Yeah. I don't know. what's funny? Me and Lindsay have the same little plate. It's like the little easy peasy. Yeah. Um, it's like a little bowl plate that sticks to the surface. I love that thing. I do too. I don't use it the same way you do.

Lindsay: 30:32

Please tell me how you use, how you're using it. Oh my god, what? The

Jordan: 30:36

only way I use this is, I use it for my kids snack and that's usually like a little like bar or like a piece of fruit or something cut up. And then I, I put it, I just put it on the floor and she eats like a little dog. Oh, I love that. It's so funny.

Lindsay: 30:54

Cause it looks like

Jordan: 30:55

a little dish, like a little fountain. Yeah, I mean, she doesn't like get on all fours and eat like a dog. She just, you know, she sits down next to it and picks it out. No, we

Lindsay: 31:02

cannot do that in our

Jordan: 31:03

house. No, she would be there. Yeah. Yeah. It's something that I probably shouldn't. I don't think this is a recommendation.

Lindsay: 31:11

I

Jordan: 31:13

just don't care to see every single time she has a snack. It seems like so much work. That's so funny. Yeah. So that's the only time we use that. So. Cool. There you go. Yeah. Another

Lindsay: 31:27

feud refusal. What a journey. It's a journey.

Jordan: 31:30

And a phase. Hopefully a phase.

Lindsay: 31:34

Um. We have a trend. Well, I mean, there's always trending topics, right? And there's always recommendation topics. Yeah,

Jordan: 31:42

always. So, I So, I guess it's been trending. I, this

Lindsay: 31:46

isn't necessarily has anything to do with toddler food refusal, but it's food. Okay. And it's trending. Alright. And I don't know if it's trending because it's happening a lot in my life and surround, and everything. It's happening all around me, like literally here in Utah and back in Minnesota and in Kansas City. I have family in Kansas City.

Jordan: 32:05

I don't know if I know where this is going. Uh, everyone's making sourdough again. Oh, shit. The sourdough. Everyone's making sourdough. I just, I just remembered that I did not feed your starter today. That's okay. And I was supposed to. I don't even know. I should probably check on that after this actually. Okay. I'll make Jocelyn help me.

Lindsay: 32:25

Yeah, I need to get starter from you or I'll just get

Jordan: 32:28

it another way. No, I have it's in my fridge right now. I have your starter in my fridge. Do you have to feed that thing every day? No, uh, sometimes. I don't know. But I have not fed yours. And it, no, I, you definitely don't always have to feed it every day. I think there may be circumstances where you do need to feed it every day. I don't know. If you want it. Lindsay, I don't know. But I know that yours doesn't need to be fed every day. There are resources.

Lindsay: 32:56

For sure. There are Facebook groups. There are Instagram pages. I'm for sure. Instagram pages, whatever. Instagram profiles.

Jordan: 33:04

Profiles. Yeah, that's the word. I didn't even clock that. Like not even a little

Lindsay: 33:09

bit. Legitimate millennial y'all. Like I'm like with it, but then I'm also like calling it like Instagram pages. Um, okay. So no, everyone's making fricking sourdough. My friends in Minnesota can't get. Bread flour. What? Like, on the shelf.

Jordan: 33:28

Wow. Like, it's

Lindsay: 33:29

gone. And I don't know if this is coming back up in, okay, it was COVID.

Jordan: 33:33

COVID, obviously. Everyone

Lindsay: 33:35

was making bread and everyone was making sourdough. For sure. And then I don't know if it has something to do with grocery prices going back up. Probably. And, uh, people are just like, screw

Jordan: 33:49

it. Let's make my own bread. I mean, shit, dude, you go to the store and you buy a loaf of sourdough, costs like ten dollars. Yeah, it's a lot. It's crazy.

Lindsay: 33:57

Yeah, and this stuff is like easy on a lot of people's digestive systems. It's like, you can make all kinds of stuff with the discard. Like if it, like if that starter upstairs is not doing well, I can make Pancakes out of it. What? Discard. Sourdough discard. That's so cool. Thanks so much. was left. Okay, My cousin in Kansas she got a starter from her neighbor that's 150 years old. What? How's

Jordan: 34:24

that even like freaking? Wait, that's from the 1800s. Oh, she got sourdough from the 1800s. Starter. Can you believe that? No. Actually, no. Anyways. That's insane. 150 years old.

Lindsay: 34:40

Right. So I don't know if it's actually trending. I mean, this podcast is hopefully going to make it worldwide, but I don't know if everyone in the world is doing sourdough right now, but it seems like everyone across the country. I have many people, many resources. They're all like talking about sourdough all at the same time. Yeah,

Jordan: 34:56

I mean, I clearly need to get on this. Yeah. My sister works with, like, breads and doughs and things like that anyway, but yeah, she made some excellent sourdoughs just last week. So you're not, like, you're, maybe you're not wrong.

Lindsay: 35:09

Yeah. Yeah. Neighbor across the street's like, I made bread. Do you want one? I'm like, yes.

Jordan: 35:13

Yes. Yes, I would love

Lindsay: 35:14

that. We love sourdough bread in our home. So anyways, that's my, like, trending topic right now because they're just fascinating and you can do so much with

Jordan: 35:24

sourdough. Yeah. Great for kids to eat. What else can you do with the discard, I wonder? You were telling me about like granola. Yeah, so King Arthur

Lindsay: 35:33

very popular like flour brand. And they have a recipe for sourdough discard granola. That just sounds crazy to me. It's like the wet

Jordan: 35:43

ingredient. Yeah,

Lindsay: 35:44

It is not the only wet ingredient. They do have oil and they do have maple syrup in it. But how crazy is that you can just add

Jordan: 35:52

your sourdough. That's so cool. I actually think that's

Lindsay: 35:55

really cool. Yeah. And then, I don't know if you know who Ballerina Farm is. She's here in Utah, she has eight kids and just did the world pageant. She did the world pageant, I think eight or ten days postpartum.

Jordan: 36:11

The world, like, not beauty pageant. World beauty pageant. You're kidding. What? Ballerina

Lindsay: 36:16

Farm. Um, Hannah, She is huge sour. They have a farm out in Kamis. Oh, okay. And they have a dairy farm and they have pigs and they have, um, all kinds of stuff and it's really cool. You can get like, boxes sent to your home of their pastries and bacon. Oh, wow. That's cool. And, um, they're gonna, they're opening up a creamery out at their house now too. Yum. Which is really cool. That's cool. She is a huge sourdough maker and it's, her Instagram is pretty fascinating to watch and see what she can do with all this sourdough. But she makes all kinds of pastries and all kinds of goodies She's got really great recipes on her website for sourdough. Cool. Just go.

Jordan: 36:58

Yeah, I just checked this out and it says the sourdough discard works well in Bakes goods that don't require lively yeast. So like crackers, tortillas, pancakes. Oh, okay. You can use it to flavor recipes. That's really cool. Yeah.

Lindsay: 37:13

Anyways.

Jordan: 37:14

Yeah, I love some sourdough. I wanna, I wanna get some. No.

Lindsay: 37:19

Best grilled cheese ever in your life is Homemade sourdough with, like, rich Aged cheddar, raw cheddar, like grass fed butter, like rich

Jordan: 37:30

salted butter, oh my god. That sounds so

Lindsay: 37:33

good. I don't know if I could ever have grilled cheese that's not that, ever

Jordan: 37:37

again. Yeah, no I would love that right now, I just ate it and it still sounds so good. Yum. Anyways. Speaking of cheddar, just real quick, for anyone out there with a Costco membership, I've been looking for cheddar. For my British husband in the United States for like the five years that we've spent here together, never found any. That suits his very, particular palette. I would like to know what he likes. Oh, I have some in the fridge. Okay. Finally, Lindsay, for the first time in the history of our relationship, I found him some cheese in the United States. That is like. Up to his standard in terms of cheddar. So I'll give you some, it's a, I don't know what it's called, but it's got a union Jack on it. I spotted it out of the corner of my eye and the cheese aisle at Costco. And it was like, I wonder if that's a British cheddar. And I looked and it was, wow. It's like a West country. Style British cheddar. I'll let you try it. Okay. It's kind of got like more of it's definitely way sharper and has like kind of a little crystal. Yeah, I love that. It's so good. So yeah, go check that out guys. If you like a sharp cheddar, so good. Costco's got it now. Yeah. Cool. So many random recommendations here, but give it a go. All right. Did you want to keep going with the sourdough stuff?

Lindsay: 38:53

I mean, I could just talk and talk and talk about like Food. I couldn't

Jordan: 39:02

leave that in, that was funny. Yeah. Oh, gold. So could I.

Lindsay: 39:12

Anyways, there's gotta be some great sourdough recipe books

Jordan: 39:15

out there. Yeah. There's gotta be. Let's go find some. Send us some bread.

Lindsay: 39:21

Yeah.

Jordan: 39:23

Alright, cool. Um, let's see, am I supposed to have a recommendation for this week?

Lindsay: 39:28

We both can chime in. I

Jordan: 39:30

mean, I've already given two. But yeah, I've got actually a really good one. I've got a good recommendation for this week, I think.

Lindsay: 39:39

I have a good one since we're talking about farm animals.

Jordan: 39:43

Yeah, go for it. Give us a farm animal recommendation. Have you ever put

Lindsay: 39:47

beef tallow on your skin?

Jordan: 39:50

No, obviously not. What? What? Actually? Yeah. Beef tallow.

Lindsay: 39:58

Beef tallow.

Jordan: 39:58

What skin? You can. Any skin? Your whole body. Shut up. I'm

Lindsay: 40:02

not kidding. You can go to the grocery store. If you want to do it this way, you can go to the grocery store meat department and legitimately, yeah, you can, you can literally ask. I know it works out at here at Harman. Yeah, of course. But you're like, Hey, I need tallow and it's cheap and you can put it all over your body. What?

Jordan: 40:26

Okay. So what even is tallow? Cause it's not marrow. No, um. How do I not know this? Is it just fat? It's like, uh. Like I know it's definitely got a lot of fats in it.

Lindsay: 40:37

A cooking fat?

Jordan: 40:38

I'm seeing that it's like the hard This is suet. And beef tallow is rendered down from suet, but basically suet is the hard fatty part of the cow that surrounds the kidneys. Wild. Yeah. Interesting. It's

Lindsay: 40:52

like really rich and creamy and um, I

Jordan: 40:56

You just use it like lotion. You just like

Lindsay: 40:58

splatter it on. Okay, I haven't actually gotten tallow by itself. Um, like at the grocery store. I, I buy it from this, I got it as a gift from one of my friends from this company called Sun and Moo. It's They have like skincare products, Anyways, Sun and Mu is this company and I use their, their beef tallow like balm. Yeah. Incredible. Okay. Interesting. Smells like bacon. Yeah, I bet. Literally has like a hint of like scent of bacon to it. Wild. This is for people that are okay with like meat products on their body and ingesting and obviously all that. In general, yeah. But love,

Jordan: 41:38

love, love it. Interesting.

Lindsay: 41:40

Alright. That's, Tallo as your like skincare moisturizer. All right, tallow, the clear one tallow balm from Sun and Moo is what I use in the dry.

Jordan: 41:57

The driest, the driest

Lindsay: 41:59

part of winter, the driest part of year, the driest part of

Jordan: 42:03

Utah. It's so dry. My nose is like correct on the inside, everywhere. It's rough. Maybe beef tallow will be fixing that. Yeah. Okay. That's a good recommendation. I have a kind of like an offbeat recommendation and it's very different to that. Let's hear. Okay. So my recommendation is. You've seen it, the masterpiece of a little seat that my kid has upstairs. Oh my

Lindsay: 42:31

gosh, you guys. This is like perfect because It's not something that you just go, you got to get this

Jordan: 42:42

product. No, I mean, you kind of

Lindsay: 42:45

got to start there. It like totally builds her

Jordan: 42:47

imagination. It does. So it started with a box of groceries from Costco and we, you know, we use one of those little boxes to like cart all of your stuff out. So we ended up with the, I believe it's the Mexican cheese blend box. It's got, it's like, you know, a little longer than it or yeah, like a little deeper than it is wide. And then the whole, it's just the bottom top, the bottom part of the box. Yep. And the, like, the two shorter ends don't have sides, so it's not a complete box. It's like, you know, two walls and then whatever. So my husband one day thought it would be cute to like put a couple little throw pillows in it. So there's one at the seat and then one making a little back to the, to the box. And we've had that thing in our living room for like three months now. Because my kid's obsessed with it. Obsessed. It's her

Lindsay: 43:43

cute

Jordan: 43:44

little chair. It's her cute little seat. She

Lindsay: 43:46

loves it. Everybody go find the Mexican cheddar treat. Shredded cheese box from Costco.

Jordan: 43:54

Get a pillow. It doesn't have to be a throw pillow. It could just be a regular old pillow. Make a little back. Your kid will feel like a million bucks. They don't even know what that is. But yeah, she loves it. If we need her to like chill out and watch a show for a sec, which doesn't happen often, but let's be honest, like it definitely happens. Um, she'll sit in that thing. I haven't tested for how long, but I guarantee you she would sit in there for like, I bet hours. I really do bet hours. That is so cute. And she'll like take a little, her little book or her little toy over and sit in her seat. She loves it. It's so funny. So if your kid needs a place to sit that feels just like their very own, give it a, yeah, give that a go because it's, yeah, it was well worth the like zero effort that

Lindsay: 44:37

it took. That's where parenting is at its best is like when you can finagle like some kind of thing for them to play with. Like what you have laying around. Oh yeah. It's such a win win because they're so happy. And then you're like, your ego goes up because you're so happy you came

Jordan: 44:56

up with that idea. Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. It's the best. And then you also just didn't have to spend any of your resources. Oh my gosh, or more money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hate spending money. On another thing for the child. Yeah, exactly. All right. Cool. Well, yeah, that's it. That's, uh, that's our episode for this little week. Yeah. My

Lindsay: 45:16

tea is pretty much

Jordan: 45:17

done. Yeah. Mine's not, but I'll get there. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, so if you guys are enjoying everything give us a follow. We're on Instagram at we have kids podcast Yep, um if you really have been liking our stuff would mean a lot to us if you could rate and review us that's something you could do that we would really appreciate and tune in next week. Yeah Yeah Cheers Bye